The Pink Truth?
Posted on 21. Nov, 2006 by Ty Tribble in Network Marketing - MLM
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What a joke.
The owner of the Pink Truth web site has threatened me with legal action for this post, (which is now removed but I am sure can be found in cache somewhere).
If the owner of the web site is the same person that answers the email at pinktruth@gmail.com, she also called me a whore when I offered to help promote the site through the MLM Blog Network.
Unbelievable.
For more information on the Pink Truth, check out this post at On The Road With Dave.
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21. Nov, 2006
Guess you didn't read that we recently moved to a new URL.
Ty
21. Nov, 2006
Huh?
Are saying that your site has actually had "hundreds of thousands" of unique visitors?
Dave Robison
21. Nov, 2006
Hey Ty,
I'm not sure what it was that the ladies at Pink Truth found actionable in your entry, after all they are all anonymous so it wasn't like you insulted real people.
I guess the MK director they called a "Liar" in the post I cited, should have
thought about callling her attorney.
Anyway, sorry you had to pull your posts here at MLM Blog.
Dave
http://www.ontheroadwithdave.com
IBOFightback
22. Nov, 2006
mmm, sorry I missed the post but from the above I guess it had something to do with my reaction, and thought to write a post about it, the first time I saw the press release – 4000 visitors a day! I suspect pinktruth is stretching the truth a little.
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me
23. Nov, 2006
Sounds like you guys are jealous because you don't have as much traffic.
Ty
24. Nov, 2006
The 3 month Alexa traffic ranking for this site is: 131,765 and one week is: 96,717
The Alexa traffic ranking for Pink Truth is: 689,716 and one week is: 147,763
Yet, the owner of Pink Truth threatened to sue me when I questioned the information in her press release.
IBOFightback
25. Nov, 2006
yes "me", we're terrible jealous of traffic that doesn't exist.
Let's be generous, maybe she doesn't understand the difference between "hits" and "visitors"?
See Beyond
25. Nov, 2006
Pink Truth, a/k/a Tracy Coenen, is stretching the truth A LOT. Ask her (it would have to be under oath to get a truthful answer and maybe not even then) how long she was in Mary Kay. What level did she achieve? How much was her production each month? In other words, was she successful and THEN decided to "step down" or is she convinced it is a bad company because she did not succeed? I think we all know the answer to that. In addition, her other company has a fake office in Chicago. I happen to know the people who are really in the office suite she says is hers on her company website.
And just who are the clients of Sequence, Inc.? Looks like all she does is presentations. Methinks her goal with this pink truth blog is to build her resume for the other "job" (term used loosely) she has. And she doesn't care who she steps on or how many lies she has to tell to do it.
And by the way, anyone can become a member of the board of advisors for pyramidschemealert. All you have to do is fill out an application.
Tracy
25. Nov, 2006
Ty – I think you ought be very careful in your distortion of the facts. You didn't "offer to help promote" my site, you really offered to get some Google ad revenue for yourself. I don't wish to be associated with people who promote MLM's, plain and simple. As to the stats: You didn't "question" the stats. You knowingly published incomplete, and therefore incorrect information. As for all other speculation about my career, and resume, and affiliations… there's really no need to respond because the MK rep who posted her comments has no idea what she's talking about.
See Beyond
26. Nov, 2006
Wow, Tracy jumped right in there to…what? Defend herself? Nope. Just defer the attention elsewhere, a tactic used often by those who lie. Okay, I will question the stats. "Hundreds of thousands"? Get real. As for not knowing what I am talking about…ah, you would be surprised just how much I do know. Let's hear your story. I noticed it is NOT listed on the "About" page of your blog. There is glaringly NOTHING beside your screen name. What is your personal experience with Mary Kay? And about that fake office….why would a legitimate office have a cell phone listed as the contact number? And why would a legitimate office have another company's name over the door? You may feel "there is no need to respond" but others might be curious as to just how "truthful" you are.
I, too, "See Beyond"
27. Nov, 2006
There is more than one "MK rep" who sees the descrepencies to Tracy Coenen's claims and sees through the pinktruth. Here's a question; how does Tracy get her hands on written communications that are between Mary Kay, Inc. and it's National Sales Directors? How does Tracy get information about various Sales Directors and National Sales Directors from their password protected web sites?
SeeBeyond
27. Nov, 2006
Aside from having people violate their own confidentiality agreements with their directors and nationals, I'm not sure. But it surely does tell the type of people that she hangs out with and who participate in her blog, doesn't it? They all talk 24/7 about how terrible Mary Kay corporate and its representatives are, yet they lie, steal and cheat as well. I know several ladies who work for directors and/or nationals and have access to their passwords for unitnet and the Mary Kay site. Apparently some of these admins are not very ethical and pass on this information to Tracy for her use on the blog. She apparently is not very ethical and accepts and encourages this type of behavior.
Or perhaps her "fraud investigating" skills are being used to hack into websites.
QBlog
02. Dec, 2006
FYI: Pink Truth was formerly pinkcadillac.typepad.com.
Follow archive link: http://web.archive.org/web/20051213014940/http://pinkcadillac.typepad.com/
Ty
03. Dec, 2006
I thought they were "MaryKaySucks"…
See Beyond3
03. Dec, 2006
Pink Cadillac was a different blog. Tracy started the sucks blog.
Ty, I'm curious. How can you be threatened with a lawsuit when posting your opinion on site traffic, yet they can tell lies about people and opportunities 24/7 and get away with it?
Is it just because no one has called them on the lies?
seethrough
10. Dec, 2006
The Pink Cadillac blog was shut down by the owner but not before Mary Kay Sucks inherited the traffic. Mary Kay owns the domain http://www.marykaysucks.com so Tracy had to change her blog name.
Both Pink Truth and Pink Lighthouse have "preserved" the Pink Cadillac blog.
Duh
13. Dec, 2006
Okay, seriously, besides knowing first-hand that Tracy Coenen is all the horrible things people here and other places say she is, I have to ask this question:
Who the heck thinks they're actually going to make a bunch of money with Mary Kay, or anything similar? Really, I may not be a Certified Fraud Examiner, but I know my butt from a hole in the ground. I know to look on ANY business opportunity that involves a network, etc., with more than a healthy dose of skepticism. Kind of, I thought, people got into this stuff – Mary Kay, Tupperware, Avon, Pampered Chef, whatever, hoping to sell enough to earn free products, and anything more is a bonus.
Does Tracy Coenen think this rampage against Mary Kay – a company that's already a joke among most right-thinking people – is going to do anything positive for her reputation or forensic accounting business? Does she think this will cast her as anything other than a fool?
Or has she just gone completely insane?
MK Rules
02. Jan, 2007
PT is a great blog for info that the company gives only to directors. That is what drew me to the site. But shortly after, I grew tired of the bitterness. If you are out of MK, then get over it. By letting it bother you so much, you are letting the past run your life.
P.S. She only allows the extreme negative side, say anything positive, and you are *poofed*. To me the truth involves good and bad.
camille
03. Jan, 2007
i agree with mk rules. It seems to me to be the rantings of a very bitter, egocentric, obssevily angrey person. I do however believe all of the horror stories posted in pink truth, but I also know that for all the hundreds or thousands of women who have had bad experiences, there are the same number of women who have had great experiences to speak of. You will never hear about those on pink truth. To me it is the same in every business opportunity whether is is classified as MLM on not. Every business opp is a risk, you could loose your money or you could retire rich or somewhere in between. The experiences of the former consultants at pink truth dont have to be everyone's experience. I was horrified after reading pink truth postings because i could'nt see the points they were trying to make because I was blinded by their bitterness and hatred for anybody willing to at least have an open mind. The thing that robs them of credibility is their personal attacks and condesending conversation toward people who chose to sell Mary Kay. Calling people names and insulting their character is always a tactic of those who really dont have anything reputable to stand on or say. Its nothing more than a distraction. I would be more apt to listen if both sides were shown of the Mary Kay business. They say that they are trying to give people the facts but they are only interested in redemption and revenge. And when you allow the emotions of bitterness and anger and revenge to rule you, then you cant move on. So my advice to Pink Truth is move on or at least tell the whole truth. Giving people the facts would involve telling about the good and the bad and then letting people make up their minds. But they wont tell about the success stories and they do exist, and not just for those who started Mary Kay years ago. Plenty people are in business for themselves in other ventures and at times struggle to keep their business alfoat, but they keep going, if they decide that it is worth it they continue, if they dont they quit and do something else. The stance that pink truth has taken is boardering lunatic status due to the obssesive nature of it. It seems that her whole life is still dedicated to Mary Kay in some way. She says that she is over Mary Kay and has moved on with her life, but if that is true then the site would not exist. The only thing that pink truth has done for me is make me want to work my Mary Kay business harder. If I make it then great, If I dont then great as well, on to the next adventure as far as I am concerned. But you wont hear me bitchin and moaning about it on an internet blog.
TracyHater
07. Jan, 2007
Tracy Coenen is a (edited) plain and simple. Believe me, I've dealt with her AND she's a liar.
Cindy Phillips
10. Jan, 2007
Tracy's website pinktruth, in my opion, is nothing but the truth. How does she sleep at night trying to hurt so many people in Mary Kay? What does she have against successful people? If she were really trying to examine the truth, she would allow the truth to be posted and stop hurting innocent people. She has really crossed the line and it seems that she will post anything as long as it is negative. Whether she believes MK is MLM or not, the people she slanders are real people. Why does she want to hurt so many people? I find nothing true or good on her website!
Glad2BeOut
11. Jan, 2007
No matter what Tracy's thoughts were in starting the blog, her background and position in Mary Kay or future propensity as an entrepreneur- I for one have gained a great deal of insights from Pink Truth. Those who say the info isn't true haven't been a part of the company. I was a Pink Car Driving Director, with the company for over 12 years so I believe I am a reliable witness to the goings on of Mary Kay Cosmetics. I worked in over 6 areas in the country and helped women up their ladder of success.
I have found nothing but truth and real ife stories on this blog. I only wish it had been in existence when I chose to make my exit from it once I discovered how it led to the financial ruin of more women than I could count. When I realized I was a part of that system, I knew I had to get out and I have never regretted that decision. The money is a myth for 90% of the sales force and it is all built on credit card debt that is contributed to by the hype and frenzy that the Corporate Culture contains.
Don't condemn it without knowing the facts or stepping into a Dirctor's suit like so many of us have. It is Truth and it is factual. Addictive -Controlling organizations from this to
religious organizations always say that those who leave were
either failures or rebellious. I have 2 college degrees yet I fell for their strong sales tactics that target women's vulnerable
areas –mixing career with family. I am sorry to say I contributed to the downfall of many a woman's financial situation by being a part of MK. Come over and read through the entire site in one weekend–esp. the directors stories. They are most accurate and from the heart from a 12 year veteran.
Ty
12. Jan, 2007
If Pink Truth is all about the Truth, why don't they reveal their true visitor statistics?
A press release claimed that the site was getting hundreds of thousands of visitors and evidence suggests otherwise.
sickuvit
12. Jan, 2007
Tracy has many problems and is feeding her own selfish ego with her blah, blah, blog. I know plenty of people, not making TONS of money in MK, but indeed making a nice living. So what.
I wish Tracy would devote this kind of energy and hours to something that would really help society, like hunting down child pornograher rings and exposing THEM. Now, honey, that would be a worthy cause.
Glad2BeOut
12. Jan, 2007
I seriously doubt you know people making a nice living in Mk.
Now they may appear like they do –in fact we were taught how
to look like we were living large. The absolute bottom line is
the debt to payment ratio. You can't imagine it but many women
have 10,000-30,000 of unsecured credit card debt with MK and it is only growing larger. Why do you think there is so much being sold on EBAY these days? That inventory has to go somewhere besides piling up in basements and garages. Its hard to understand this
world unless you've been a part of it.
So no matter what people tell you, or how they look like they are doing it can all be for show. When I had a change of heart about helping to get women in debt I decided to do things right and truly help the women I worked with. We decided to order on cash only and actually sell the product for over 3 years. You have no idea the hiding that goes on esp. w/ their spouses. It took a great deal of trust and my own strong confessions about my own debt that was at $11,000 myself to even get them to open up and tell me. The #1 problem is they hid it even from themselves and felt deeply like failures. Then at Director Retreats and our Seminar Director friends would confess -only very privately -about the debt loads they carried and how hard it was to act like they were wealthy all the time because you are taught to "Fake it till you Make it.'
So please don't think you even know what kind of a living they are truly making for the real truth is even the consultants and directors don't know what they are actually making and when they do the next step is to admit it is not working and hasn't for a long long time if ever. It is usually a tax consultant who makes us come to our senses because the numbers do not lie.
The expenses and overhead are so incredible that no one understands but those on the inside. Truth is hard to swallow isn't it — but this is all very real.
foreverpink
13. Jan, 2007
To gladtobeout..I am glad that you are out as well, because instead of using your influence to teach others how to have successful mary kay careers the right way..you chose to run and seek revenge by attemting to bring the company down and keep anyone from having a chance at being happy with their business decision. You could have done some good from the inside out. You dont have to be in Mary Kay to have credit card debt. I dont have credit card debt, and I too have been in Mary Kay for several years. But debt is a risk for any kind of business. And you cannot speak for everyone in mary kay not even 90%. Maybe 90% of the people that you talked to are in debt up to their eyeballs but I sincerly doubt that 90% of all of May Kay sales force all over the world are in debt soely because of Mary Kay. You can only base your decision on your experience. Your path does not have to be mine in Mary Kay. You earlier made a comparison to organized religion and how people are labled failures or rebellious if they leave the organization. I will make another comparison. We constantly hear about religious leaders who misuse or misrepresent scripture or take advantage of others. Does that mean that we should abandon our faith just because some idoit preacher or priest behaved badly? This does not mean that the underlying believe or faith is wrong, but the individual who committed the act or misled others is the one in the wrong. Do we walk away and leave others to follow them into destruction or do we stay and teach them the right way? Of course Mary Kay is not GOD nor is it a religion, but it stands to reason that each negative post points to a director who led others astray by their own idiotic or bad behavior. It does not mean that the entire concept of having a Mary Kay business is bad. You have to know the good and the bad for yourself, and know how to do things the right way in order for it to work. Challenges will come no matter what, but nothing good came come of the extremly negative posting that PT and those that follow her put out. Quit acting like Mary Kay is some kind of Mafia or Drug Cartel that needs to be brought down by any means necessary. There are bigger issues in the world. I love selling Mary Kay, and I love its products. If they were so crappy you wouldnt even be able to give them away on Ebay. Do I have my head under the sand about some of the problems? No. But making fun of others that are weathly in this business and sabatoging people only makes PT look like someone who is jealous and filled with sour grapes. That is not a way to win credibility, I dont care if she is a fraud investigator.
sickuvit
13. Jan, 2007
well said foreverpink.
The people I know that make a nice living in MK are actually making that nice living…yep, I see their checks and I see their expenses. HIgh checks, low expenses. That's how we do things in our neck of the woods. We sell and teach to sell. In fact, I'm one of them! It's a great life and can work without racking up credit card debt for myself and the people I coach.
Wanna see my schedule C? Yes, the NET value — its a great living. One my family and I have enjoyed for more than a decade.
It can be done — sadly that isn't always the case. But, I'm sure glad my circle does well and no one is getting hurt.
Glad2BeOut
13. Jan, 2007
7 years ago I would have said exactly what you are both saying and in exactly the same type of tone. You see people's expenses and income –where would that be? On their statements they turn in for sales ribbons? That rarely shows the whole picture. Just like you never really know what goes on in a marriage, we never really know what goes on in someones finances unless they decide to be honest and open up and tell you. That is the problem here – you can look like you are living a very nice lifestyle and even pay for things with your MK
money–trips and furniture. I did too and those were the 'prizes'
I showed off to people in addition to jewelry and Star Consultant
prizes for my home that I won. So it looks good on the outside -it just doesn't mean it is
the whole picture. The problem is you don't know the depth of it until you are close to getting out.
If you're happy now than great –but I am here as a writer to warn others who may be lurking for some information that is not all polished and pink and I think thats what the Pink Truth does so well –it shows there are other "I "stories than just the ones they highlight at Seminar or in the Applause Magazine.
I'm not trying to kill your dream –that is MK speak for don't let in negativy. Dream your dreams- but any business owner can look at both sides of a financial balance sheet and see if the business is strong or not. When you want help sites like Pink Truth help you feel you are not alone and a failure because you couldn't 'make it happen.' Statistics happen to be on the other side of what MK constantly says. I want to help women not feel alone or constantly ask why they couldn't make it when others make it look so easy. If you read Pink Truth for example you'll see that many Directors come there to ask questions they can't be real about inside the company. There is no one to answer them because its considered 'negative' and in that world that is a sin you dont want to commit–being seen as negative or a dream killer. Again part of the lingo.
I'm here to help as are others who have survived the maze and want to help others get out in a positive way with the least amount of wreckage if that is their business decision. Its not unusual for people inside an organization like this to so attack those who got out or speak negatively about the company they so love.
And just for the record foreverpink when I got out I eventually went on staff with a church –so yes I believe faith is more vital than ever but so is Truth so I will continue to seek to help others come into the light about their financial situation within this pink world because that is one barometer that cannot be denied eventually. Hope this will even plant the tiniest seed
of hope that comes from truth for the day when you or someone in your unit might need it.
foreverpink
15. Jan, 2007
the problem that I have with you glad2beout and the fact that you support the PT blog is that you want everyone to believe that all mary kay consultants start this business with their eyes shut, blindly believing everything that their director tells them and follows the crowd into financial ruin. THAT IS JUST NOT THE CASE!. You keep saying that we hide the truth just because we dont dwell on the negative. We dont hide the negative. But just as you acuse us of hiding the negative, followers of PT can be accused of hiding the positive. There is more than one side of this business. Its not all negative and that is the only point we want to get across. Do you mean to tell me that in all your years of Mary Kay you cant remember not one positive experience? Did you not realize some kind of profit before things turned bad? Even if you chose not to sell Mary Kay anymore, was there never a time when you did see some profit? If it had not been for the credit card debt or problems with your particular leadership, would you still be in? I have seen grandam's and grandprix's come and go, I have seen directors come and go, I have seen people loose their directorship and get it back.I know its not all rosey and pink. I have had disagreements with directors, but I looked over it because I knew that my vision was on the bigger picture and that the concept of a Mary Kay business is bigger than one director. I have had experiences with good and not so good directors. My current director lets us know her salary, and no it does not come from a weekly accomplishment sheet or an IPA sheet, that you can turn in for "sales ribbons". These numbers come from schedule c's, prepared by a professional tax consultant. So stop assuming that every director out there is trying to put up a false front just because the majority of the ones you know did. I take my mary kay business for what it is, a way to make extra money beyond my other job. I have plenty of inventory, my inventory was built up by buying what I could through sales and investing a little at a time. I dont "assault" people at the mall, or chase down women that I dont know, but if I am talking to someone I will give her a card. Noone has ever been hateful to me, or ran from me, as a matter of fact they usually ask me if I have any product with me cause they need this or that. Their consultant moved away or whatever and they need some cleanser. This kind of stuff happens to me on the regular, not everyday but regular enough for me to keep working this business. Those interactions plus my regular customers keep me going. I am not under any pressure to sell a certain amount because my sales director says I have to. I can name at least 4 cadillac driving directors in my city and they all have pretty big units and still the market is not saturated. As long a people like vartiety there will be a place for us to sell something from our product line, and you should know that. You say that you have faith and I respect that, but how can you support a blog that is so filled with venomous hatred and the juvenile teasing of other people in its postings. Even though you and I obviously disagree,one thing I noticed is that your posting are not the gutter calliber of PT. Those women over there (the host included) remind me of high school bullies who sit back on the side lines and make fun of others, spending time trashing director suits and hairstyles and such..are they grown women or teenagers? What point are they making, and what does it have to do with the real business of Mary Kay. Its imature and sad, and why you would want to be associated with them I will never know. But its your choice. But anyone who wants those considering this business to know the TRUTH will tell all sides, not just one side. You have information that can be helpful for consultants to learn what not to do, but they can still be successful. The answer is not always to keep people away from Mary Kay all together which is what PT wants, but to help consultants learn to work it smarter.You have the tools to do just that. PT's attempts to shut down the company and wishing for the financial ruin of others is nothing short of spiteful and vengeful, which we all know is not of GOD. Praying and lobbying for a positive change is more productive. There are no doubt problems with the sales force of mary kay or else so many women would not be so upset and angry or finding voice on so many sites. But you cannot deny that in 40+ years this company has done some good for many women around the world, and that is the reputation it stands on. Organized religious leaders make me angry at times, but am I gonna let it stop me from going to church? My director made me mad and I refuse to frontload those under me, but am I gonna stop selling this product that I know I can sell, NO!! You would do well to post on a more mature and credible site so people can see the pros and cons and do some real teaching. Leave PT to the bitter whinning ninneys
sickuvit
15. Jan, 2007
Sometimes its no use. You can't reason with unreasonable people. If someone believes that MK is bunk, doesn't work and is a scam, you'll never be able to convince them otherwise — despite your own personal experiences and years of income.
My advie to those that like the MK business and choose to do it? Keep going and don't read these blogs or respond. This is my last entry.
TracySucks
15. Jan, 2007
Ty,
Here's the deal with Tracy: she's ugly as sin (yes, I said it). I saw her picture and she couldn't PAY ME to use any product she puts on that face that's why she failed at Mary Kay, but I digress…in the end she is just an opportunist. She is making a name for herself at the expense of bitter women she is giving the opportunity to vent. She should get a real job. I told her she was a credit to capitalism. She didn't like that so she poofed me.
Lovemybiz
17. Jan, 2007
Forever Pink, your posts are right on the money. To Gladtobeout, you should be ashamed to say you are a Godly woman and then associate with vile "people" over at PT. You are contradicting yourself.
foreverpink
17. Jan, 2007
all i am saying is that people need to take a step back and look at all of this instead of getting caught up in their feelings and automatically agreeing with someone just because you feel you share a common enemy. You have got to ask yourself some questions: If PT's attack on mary kay is all about "exposing" the business for the mlm or pyramid scheme she feels it is, then why has she not given the same internet blogging attention to Avon or Princess House or any other similar direct selling company? Dont women who sell those products need to be saved from the big bad monster of mlm as well? There is more to her agenda then meets the eye folks. I am pretty sure that there are plenty of people with bones to pick with Avon as well as any other direct selling company..so whats up with that? (just for the record I like Avon and Princess House products and I am just using their names as examples.)but, there is just as much Avon floating around on Ebay as there is Mary Kay, so if all of these ex Mary Kayers are peddling their products on the internet, then what does that say about any of the other stuff thats out there? But has Tracy made any points about that? Well why not? If her agenda was legitimate and strictly about stopping Mary Kay because it is a pyramid scheme or whatever, then she would give the same attention to anything similar. But her agenda is not about that, so she has created this smoke screen of supposedly exposing deep dark secrets about mary kay, hides behind said screen while she gloats over all the trouble she is causing and cashes in on all the links she has on her blog. I believe that she was in Mary Kay for awhile, did not do well and now all of a sudden is mad about it and wants everybody to believe its an illegal form of business that noone can succeed in. But answer this Tracy? Were'nt you a fraud investigator with all those fancy alphabets after your name when you signed your beauty agreement? I mean, you are the MLM expert arent you, yet you signed up to sell Mary Kay. And I believe you signed up because in your expert opinion, you knew Mary kay was not a scam. It did not become illegal in your eyes until you did not do as well as you thought you should. The company has been structured the same way for over 40 years so I am sure there was nothing different about it when you got your showcase. My point is, if you didnt think it was a pyramid scheme when you signed up, then why all of a sudden did it become one when you got out. I believe you signed that beauty agreement because you did not consider it a scam or a pyramid scheme. As professional as you claim to be, I refuse to believe that you went into this business without reading and finding out everything about it, and you knew it was legit. But lets consider this, maybe you did do well in Mary Kay and worked your business the right way. If you did do well,then that implies that you sold some products and made some money and did the very thing that you claim cant be done in Mary Kay, so once again your are contradicting yourself. You know, I'm just sayin… makes you go hummmmmm
raisenberry
17. Jan, 2007
This is kinda funny to read. Different perspectives clashing. After having been a MK Senior Director for over 10 years, and watching Diq (Director in Qualification) after Diq after Diq load up with product and bail out, and pass into the night under humiliation of being a "failure" ….just trying to order enough to hold on to their car or Diq status or star consultant status…and seeing that the more we recruited the more we lost, in a never ending crumbling foundation…it became clear to me that consistent sales of product was a thing of the past…yet rewards for activity were still in place. Ease at getting credit cards set up the solution to problems that would be solved NEXT month—only never were solved.
I am sorry but your incomplete appraisal of MK is foolishness. All Directors know how badly their people are in debt and turn the other way. We get the summary sheets. We know what they aren't selling. And we know why they are still ordering.
When all contests are tied to wholesale and not retail, your company is telling you what it wants. Fundamentally, the Consultant is the customer, and thats all MK cares about. 14 years of repetitive results, debt and disillusionment is enough to tell me though we try so hard, ethical selling-true results will never yield more than pin money. And I am in the TOP TEN of my National Area.
foreverpink
18. Jan, 2007
Raisenberry I respect your comments due to the fact that you imply that you are still a director or involved in MK in some way. I can only hope that you are working in such a way as not to be one of those directors who "turn the other way" when they see things that need to be corrected. Maybe you can lead by example. Once again, I dont disagree that some things need changing, I just dont believe that Tracy Coenen and her version of the truth is the way to go about fixing things.
Lovemybiz
18. Jan, 2007
What I find so hypocritical about Raisenberry and others who claim to still be Directors, yet are taking every blogging opportunity to trash MK— they are still collecting their Director checks. The ethical thing to do if your really feel the way you do is to STEP DOWN IMMEDIATELY! Effective TODAY my friend, STEP DOWN because YOU are RUINING the lives of your consultants the longer you stay! Right? I also find it interesting that all these formerly ethical people have been reduced to lying scam artists once MK came into their lives. What a load of bull. MK or no MK if you have a lack of integrity it is no one's fault but your own. And why aren't you the type of Director who PROMOTES SELLING? Why don't you confront your consultants whose orders aren't matching? I did! I relentlessly taught money management and guess what? People DO WHAT THEY WANT TO ANYWAY- no matter what I said. With few exceptions. So Raisenberry, stop the hypocrisy now honey and step down. Be loud and proud instead of an anonymous hypocrite. You are doing the very thing you condemn others of doing. Shame on you.
TracySucks
18. Jan, 2007
Mary Kay is a billion dollar company. Common sense dictates that in a company that large there may be some bad apples. But if you go to McDonald's one day (a billion dollar company) and get poor service do you stop buying burgers? Not unless you're an idiot. Would you stop drinking water too if your Culligan man made you mad?
foreverpink
18. Jan, 2007
tracysucks and lovemybiz rock!!!
yawn
18. Jan, 2007
Your obsession with this awesome woman is beyond old.
Believin in the Biz
20. Jan, 2007
2 comments:
Raisenberry, if you are a Sales Director, and can see that your consultants are ordering, and not selling, are you counseling with them about this practice? If not, shame on you! That's the responsibility of a Sales Director. If you see this going on and say nothing, then you are contributing to the problem by letting them think it's okay.
Glad2BeGone, what would you fellow church workers think of your friends at PT? Would they think the same of you if they knew that you had been posting on that site? By posting there in agreement with the owner, you are helping to promote the site and it's ways. Is that in accordance with your beliefs and ethics? I would think that you could and would find a more ethical and classy way to express yourself and evoke changes that you feel need to be made.
tracysucks
21. Jan, 2007
Dear Yawn,
Oh, okay. Since you said so. Go take a nap. Wake up with something constructive to add to this discussion.
Lovemybiz
21. Jan, 2007
Awesome woman?? Yawn, not only are you tired, you are delusional. Tracy C. is a lot of things, awesome isn't one of them.
Ella
22. Jan, 2007
She is awesome because she is the only one strong enough to stand up to the tactics of a company like Mary Kay. Women like you tell many lies, but the truth is clear when you read her site. I compliment her for exposing the real MK reality day after day!
tracysucks
22. Jan, 2007
Hmph..she's strong, bitter and broke. You're right, she rocks. NOT!
foreverpink
22. Jan, 2007
tracysucks, you talk as if you have had personnel experience with Tracy Coenen, what is it and what are your comments based on?
Lovemybiz
22. Jan, 2007
Bitter is an understatement! But, I would add conniving and lonely to that list as well.
foreverpink
24. Jan, 2007
Ty,
I am interested in doing the Mary kay blog that you emailed mypinktruth about. How does one get started?
Ty
24. Jan, 2007
I sent you an email.
See Beyond3
24. Jan, 2007
"She is awesome because she is the only one strong enough to stand up to the tactics of a company like Mary Kay. Women like you tell many lies, but the truth is clear when you read her site. I compliment her for exposing the real MK reality day after day!
Posted by: Ella |"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lovemybiz
25. Jan, 2007
Ella, thanks for the laugh. Spare us.