John Crowe Breaks from Bill Britt’s BWW
Posted on 19. Mar, 2007 by Ty Tribble in Amway, BWW - Britt World Wide, Larry Winters - Leadership Development Team, Quixtar
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I reported back on March 5th that John Crowe may be leaving Bill Britt's Britt World Wide (BWW) and now it looks like the rumors are true.
According to a comment at Get The Facts - The Truth About Quixtar, the following names (all downline from John Crowe) have now been removed from the BWW web site:
- Jack and Magee Spencer,EDC
- Chris and Judy Cherest,Diamond
- Wayne and Suzanne Callender,EDC
- Orett and Christine Channer,Diamond
- Orlando and Deborah McKenzie,Diamond
- Judith Scott,Diamond
- Danny and Petrona Thompson,Diamond
- Rod Loney,Diamond
- Rob and Nerland Robinson,Diamond
- Ron and Robin Erwin,Diamond
- Bobby and Priscilla Harris,Diamond
- GW and Edna King,Diamond
- Dave and Kristin Dussualt,Diamond
No word yet on whether Crowe is joining Larry Winters' LTD, Rex Renrow's recent breakaway or if Crowe will venture out on his own.
The burning question is whether or not Bill Britt's BWW will survive without the leadershop and numbers from Renfrow, Crowe and Winters.
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rara
19. Mar, 2007
Your information is not completely correct. I just checked the BWW website and about half of those you mentioned are still there (Cherests, Callenders, Channers, Harrises, Kings), but the others are indeed missing: Spencers, McKenzies, Scott, Thompson, Loney, Robinsons, Erwin, Dussault. They may be out of qualification (although I'm not sure whether BWW actually removes people that are). Or there may be something more interesting going on. Most of the MIA diamonds are from the same upline – John Crowe (I'm not sure about the Erwins, though). And John Crowe himself is also missing. I can't believe a double diamond fell totally out of diamond qualification. So the rumors are most likely true.
The Robinsons, Scott, Loney, Thompson (the African-American and Caribbean diamonds) are downline from the Callendars (and possibly the Channers), who are still on the list. I wonder what's up with that.
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G
20. Mar, 2007
It's not because of qualification. Most are larger and the Dussault's are in EDC Qual…
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G
20. Mar, 2007
This is all positive. Moving forward and up.
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G
20. Mar, 2007
This is all positive. Moving forward and up.
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Jesse
21. Mar, 2007
Want more proof? Look at the explosion of BWW tools being sold on ebay. There's 100 times more than there was a month ago.
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Jeff Scovern
21. Mar, 2007
Who has time to monitor tools on ebay? I bet it's people who aren't out 5-6 nights a week and whining about why their business isn't growing.
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Ty
21. Mar, 2007
5-6 nights a week?
Are you kidding me?
I know that you aren't, but you should know that it takes half the time and effort to build a profitable business in other companies.
Show me a guy who works 5-6 nights a week for 2 years in Quixtar and he is a Platinum making $3,000/month.
Show me a guy who works 5-6 nights a week for 2 years in other companies and I'll show you someone making 6 digits.
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Jesse
24. Mar, 2007
heh, I don't monitor tools on ebay.
I just think it's fun to look up certain things on e-bay. That's one of them.
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watcher
26. Mar, 2007
why have some many people left or lost their ties to Bww?
rumor has it, crowe and dussault were ousted due to income tax issues.
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g
26. Mar, 2007
Nope. It's all part of the growth process and moving forward with your vision and truly doing what is best to achieve that vision for yourself and the 10,000s that are coming on after you.
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Ty Tribble
26. Mar, 2007
The Britt spin ALWAYS suggests that the people leaving were kicked out.
I think it has to do with Britt's integrity.
First WWDB left, then Winters, then Renfrow (reportedly) and now Crowe.
I'm not saying these guys are saints, I really just saying Britt is worse.
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Jacob
26. Mar, 2007
JOHN CROWE LEFT BWW because Bill Britt cheated on his wife. Then they 'retired' then Peggy was 'not going to be active' and then they 'came back'. The orginizations are losing people like mad. Crowe made the smart move that Renfrow and others made.
It has nothing to do with 'moving up and forward' it's about saving people form quitting becasue of Britt's nonsense.
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Jeff Scovern
26. Mar, 2007
"Show me a guy who works 5-6 nights a week for 2 years in Quixtar and he is a Platinum making $3,000/month."
Exactly.
Show me that more than 10% of the quitters actually did 5-6 nights a week…
… Most probably did 1-2 hrs a night 1-2 days a week at best or stalked 10 people in a Barnes and Nobles without talking to them. IT'S THEIR FAULT!!!! Why can't you get that?!?
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Ty
26. Mar, 2007
I love how you skipped that fact that the person would be making 6 digits in another company and if a person does 1-2 nights a week for 1-2 years, they would be making $3,000-5,000.
Quixtar has one of the worst comp plans in the industry.
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ryan
27. Mar, 2007
wow, you are retarded Ty you couldn't build a profitable quixtar business if you tried… it is not designed for lazy people who complain that making 250k in 5 years sucks… get a life… quixtar has the best product line and the most security backing it… and it has a 100% success rate for those who are man enough to get the job done and not quit… have fun being average
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Ty Tribble
27. Mar, 2007
Would you like to compare Network Marketing bonus checks?
I make an Emerald level income working mostly from home…how about you?
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g
27. Mar, 2007
The Crowe team is moving forward and yes it is all positive. New growth is popping and they are following LTD's lead. There is not ONE ANSWER. It doesn't matter what the why's are. Just get after it.
Jeff S. get your butt to Peter Island and join the fun. I'll be there in under 5 buddy.
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watcher
28. Mar, 2007
Is the Crowe team moving forward without BWW?
Is it possible that Crowe and team moved on due to tax issues.
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g
29. Mar, 2007
No.
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g
29. Mar, 2007
Yes to the first question and no to the second.
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joe
31. Mar, 2007
To set the record straight 80+ % of crowe's downline stayed with bww. Challender & all of his diamonds. Harris Diamondship. King diamondship. Cherest diamondship. & other legs. You can see them at britt miller spring leadership april 20-22. Get your stories right before your statements. So many rumors, so little truth.
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joe
31. Mar, 2007
By the way there are 63 diamondships I see listed on BWW site, (US only)
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joe
31. Mar, 2007
I understand the issue with Crowe & Spencer could have been greasing there pockets with unaccounted for funtion $$$ cash accounts. Not trackable?????
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G
04. Apr, 2007
Hey JOEY!
Thanks for being such a straight shooter and clearing up the obvious confusion about who is where.
Just one thing though…….. you forgot to add that your last comment was just utter unsubstantiated nonsensical rumor spreading BS! But if it helps you to sleep better.
Funny that a straight shooter such as yourself 2 posts earlier would complain about rumors and truth.
Hypocrite??
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mark
09. May, 2007
Guys, get a life and stop gossiping about things that you have no clue what you're talking about. Stop wasting your time arguing and gossiping on the internet… Losers.
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Big Daddy Johnson
14. May, 2007
All of the above mention diamonds are still listed on BWW site and have spoken in the last 4 weeks at either major functions or a regional rallies. Before you post something you better have your facts correct and either be on the inside or know someone on the inside.
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G
14. May, 2007
B.D.J,
Just to help clarify. John Crowe, David Dussault, Jack Spencer, Rex Renfrow are ALL OFFICIALLY OUT OF BWW and are not listed on the BWW site. They have formed the UR Association. The Callendar Diamonds are still with BWW as is Rex's biggest leg Angelo Nardone. Hope this helps. Go get 'em tiger.
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AgelBusinessPlan
01. Aug, 2007
Just curious, does nayone see this movement in and out of different companies as good for the direct selling industry – or perhaps not good?
Kinda new to the arena and trying to sort it out in my mind…
Cheers
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ibofightback
02. Aug, 2007
They're not moving companies per se, they're just changing what companies they're using to provide training.
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Jeff Sovern is a joke to the Markiewicz team
16. Aug, 2007
This is for Jeff Scovern, supposed emerald on the Markiewicz team. Jeff – I am curious, when was the last time you actually qualified Emerald? When was the last time you actually showed the plan 5 or 6 nights a week? Before you get on this site and preach to others, you might want to realize that there are actually people who know what a joke you actually are. I personally know you and know what a fake and phony you truly are. You tell people you are retired, but yet you still work. You make your money off of tools b/c you never had your tool bonus taken away from you. Everyone truly knows what a jerk and how fake you truly are. Jeff, when you actually requalify as Emerald and actually do the work then you can speak. I do have to say you are a good speaker and are great at making people feel like they are important.
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Response to Jeff's Scovern's quitters remark
16. Aug, 2007
Jeff
You are not correct about the 5-6 nights a week. I personally spun circles 6-7 nights a week for over 2 years, while my downline did grow all the negativity from upline (which was in your LOA) did not help. I did everything I could was a positive influence, attended all meetings, functions, night owls, everything that a perfect IBO and upline was to do. However, when your direct sponsor (who was a platinum) has no idea what they are doing, nor cannot make a single move without checking upline or his sponsor (which was you) who refused to help, how do you build a business. You preach and preach about building the business, but how many times have you fallen out of Emerald qualification? The system has totally gotten away from what this business was about. Yes you are to build a dream, but to brag about what you have and to be cocky is not building a dream, it is a turn off. Personally Jeff, I am not sure how you can build a dream,when in reality, you lie to people. No one respects you, trust me on that. They say they do, but they don't. I am still in the business and I still attending weekly meetings and functions, but truly Jeff, you are a joke for an upline and should be ashamed of yourself. You are not a leader, remember rule #1, NO NEGATIVE. Shouldn't be judgemental of people Jeff. After all, you are a man of religion and that is what the bible preaches, not to be judgemental.
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Former Platinum
05. Sep, 2007
It's always funny. I notice those who are in Quixtar are so intent on calling people average and getting pissed when you voice your opinion on the business. The fact of the matter is you are taught integrity and to lead by example. Calling people lazy, average, or any other name you can pop up does not set a good example. If I claim I'm a christian, I cheat on my wife, get drunk 5 nights a week and cuss up a storm would you be more or less likely to respect me?? I was in the business for two years, made over 30,000 and my people quit on me. Not the other way around. It worked for awhile, good while it lasted but it is no more. It's not for EVERYBODY so stop calling people average and lazy. Your the one who wants to be "Retired" in 2-5 years.
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XSNRGguy81
10. Oct, 2007
I'm part of BWW and plug in to an open meeting locally that is run by a Ruby on the former-Crowe team.. His upline stayed w/ BWW, so so did he. I asked him why Crowe left, and his reason was 'greed' (referring to the system income).. Okay, you spend the last several years in your business edifying this guy and they say he's 'greedy'? I've heard John Crowe's CD's, I've heard him speak, and I even had the pleasure of briefly meeting him. I highly doubt it was greed.
As for the '80% of Crowe's team stayed w/ BWW', that's crap. Callender and some downline diamonds stayed, but their total numbers are probably less than 1200 people. This is a pretty educated guess because I was at the last conference that Callender (who's plugging in with Nardone) did. Now, I was also at a function a few years back (spring leadership I think) when Dussault was in Diamond qualification. He had about 800 people with him. Okay – Callender at 1200 after about 15 years, and Dussault at 800 after 4 years.. I think Crowe knows that whatever part of his 'former team' that stayed with BWW will be replaced in the next 2-3 years anyway.. Dussault and UR Association are definitely using different business building methods and are more relateable to the 20-something crowd (which btw is the biggest group building QX right now). I think Crowe knew that and for better, long-term growth created the URA system.
Hope this gives you a new insight..
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D KHAVE DRINKER
11. Jan, 2008
I am part of the dussalt organization..
i wish i had stayed with bww ..i wish i had a choice in the matter..i am a platinum and john crowe is a fraud and i only realized it after 3 years of believing in him.
I HATE URA…they are hyprocrits…
I dunno what to do..
can anyone advise me…my business is hurting.
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Joseph Lowe
12. Jan, 2008
D KHAVE,
Sorry to hear your situation. I would be more than happy to tell you what I did personally and see if it might help you. I can also suggest a few things that may help you. You can then take it or leave it. Is that fair?
Here is my email
twint788@yahoo.com
Leave your contact info there and we can talk via phone.
Thanks
Joseph Lowe
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ibofightback
14. Jan, 2008
D KHAVE DRINKER,
Talk to Quixtar – you can move to using another "system" if you wish, including going back to BWW. I'd be interested in knowing more about the situation though. Drop me a line on my site http://www.ttaa.biz.
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Joseph Lowe
14. Jan, 2008
So why didn't John Crowe and Winters form one umbrella like TEAM?
Joseph Lowe
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adrian
21. Jan, 2008
URAssociation was formed as a natural progression due to continued steady growth within John Crowe's and Rex Renfrow's organizations, but the lines of sponsorship did not change. Its called taking ownership. Since URA was formed, the tools and training materials have become better than ever. Not to mention they are now distributed across the country like a world class organization. Anyone out there looking for a negative reason for why it was formed is just uninformed. After almost 4 years of affiliation with this organization, I can say that the leadership of John Crowe and Rex Renfrow are better than any other I have ever seen, and I have seen many!
I have also seen many people looking for excuses to their own failure. Its always easier to blame someone else than to admit mistakes and continue growing. But then you wind up in your boxers late at night complaining to the web because even your own family does not want to hear it.
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D. Singh
11. Mar, 2008
Hey all,
Stop quibbling. All this pent up anger should be channeled to better yourselves. You don't think I see the things that go on around us too. I refuse to let anything get in the way of my future! Some people are good at science, some at languages, some at economics. The same applies here, not everyone would be good at network marketing. So what!!?? There are many ways to create substantial income. I for one used job to network marketing to business ownership to stock investing and now looking at real estate. And each step creates a little more for me. It's all about planning and application of self.
Some maybe able to become rich from network marketing, but it has to be for you! Do you KNOW you can make it work for you? If you do, then you can!
As far as the Crowe team goes, who cares? I'm more interested in the welfare of my team and myself. If their methods of education has benefits then great! I would gladly accept their teachings.
And remember guys, nobody's perfect, if we were, we won't be human. Also of late, there has been some changes made in Quixtar I don't personally agree with but if I worked in a job and those changes were made, I'd have no choice but to live with them, so there we go.
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yanni
28. Jul, 2008
stick to mediocrity !!
Quixtar is not for everyone. Only for those with a DREAM!!
Have fun at work. you will be there for a lo-long time. See ya!
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Rgraves
03. Jun, 2009
Well,
Half of what was said was a lie. Nothing is wrong with Crowe, period. Why aren't you building your businesses,or did you disqualify yourself because murmuring is more important than going Diamond. If you grow up, and want a dynamic life, and income get on my team, because I am where it's at. You should feel the same.
Further, I met Crowe for the first time last night and it was nothing short of amazing. It was a blessing.
Quixtar actually has the best compensation plan by the way!!! Should I believe you or Robert Kiyosaki… broke or rich? Hmmm…. exactly…
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Confidence
14. Oct, 2009
Dkhave, please stop the name calling. John Crowe is not a fraud. He’s a businessman. 459333.
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Freedom
07. Mar, 2010
FIRST OFF RENFROW NEVER LEFT BWW! HE IS OLD,HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER DIED AND HE RETIRED,NORDONE AND BILL BRITT TALK TO HIM ALL THE TIME! CROWE AND WINTERS WANTS TO DO THEIR OWN THING AND BWW GAVE THEIR BLESSINGS! ITS NO GRUDGE BETWEEN NO COMPANIES!NO COMPANY CAN COMPARE TO AMWAY GLOBAL SO OTHER NETWORK COMPANIES PLEASE STOP! YOUR NOT DEBT FREE,YOU DONT OWN A NBA TEAM,HOTELS,PRIVATE ISLANDS AND YOUR COMPANY HAS NOT GIVEN OUT 25BILLION IN BONUSES OVER THE LAST 50YEARS,ASLO BWW HAS CREATED THE MOST MILLIONAIRES NEXT TO MICROSOFT-ITS ALL IN BLACK AND WHITE! PAUL MILLER IS BIGGER THAN CROWE AND WINTERS AND HE WILL NEVER LEAVE BRITT SO IF HE STAYED AT CROWN WHAT IS PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO START THEIR OWN WHEN BWW GOT THEM THEIR, AND WWDB IS STILL UNDER BRITT THEY NEVER LEFT ITS TO HUGE TO FIT 100,000 PEOPLE IN A ARENA SO THEY CREATED A NEW SYSTEM NAME, PURYEAR RIGGINS ARE UNDER BRITT, SO PLEASE GET IT RIGHT! AMWAY IS THE BEST AND IF YOUR NOT A DIAMOND OR ABOVE YOUR STILL A CUSTOMER!
GOD BLESS
DO CROWN THEN TALK ON THE INTERNET
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Ty Tribble Reply:
March 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Wow. That’s funny and amazing how so much of what you are saying is not true. Bill Britt hasn’t spoken for WWDB since this happened:
http://www.amquix.info/britt_frankel.html
http://www.amquix.info/britt_separation.html
And if you had any idea where the pictures came from, you would change your tune, I bet. Lastly, lower case letters are your friend, use them.
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Keith Brown
08. Mar, 2010
Dear Freedom,
Did you actually say “IF YOUR NOT A DIAMOND OR ABOVE YOUR STILL A CUSTOMER!” and mean it?
If so, you might want to ease up on the cool-aid
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