Comments on: File Sharing Quixtar Tools

By: IBOFightback

IBOFightback — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:23:48 +0000

Jesse - but that's the point. If they weren't profiting from it they'd have no incentive to produce the materials and make them available to me.

I'm glad they profit, otherwise I wouldn't have them available. And I think it's worth every cent I pay - plus more.

By: BillyBob

BillyBob — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:11:06 +0000

Oh, and you can make money off PV if you DON'T buy tools.
It's an individual choice: $ from PV, or $ from tools.
Y'all whine too much about A/Q

By: Billy Bob

Billy Bob — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:55:58 +0000

It really doesn't matter.
The tool biz in A/Q is arguably one of the most $making businesses in MLM. Again I say arguably.
If every brand new IBO has the same playing field to eventually become "tool leader" then all this arguing is irrellevant.
When you look at the fact that the "system" and A/Q are blurred together, a case can be made to say that you can make a lot of money in Quixtar and have that be a factual statement. It's not like BWW is selling tools in other MLMs! Like Obi Wan's spirit when confronted by Luke about how Obi Wan prevously said Luke's father was dead. Reply: "Depends on your point of view" or something to that effect.

By: Jesse

Jesse — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:34:58 +0000

yes, but the argument that there can't be a financial interest between people of different LOS' is not true. If I have a group of 100 people nad we're buying tools from you, I can bet you'll want my group to grow even if you don't make a dime off my PV.

By: IBOFightback

IBOFightback — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:12:38 +0000

And DeVos himself specifically said "some" leaders and Ed Postma in his (in)famous memo also single out one system/LOA. Convenient to ignore.

Ty - do your crossline teammates run large companies, employing numerous staf, and source and produce materials, all at their expense, for you?

Nice teammates.

Jesse - without Amway/Quixtar you don't build a bigger team. This is the major logical flaw in the whole "it's all about tools and their worthless" argument. The only way to increase tools profit is to build a bigger A/Q network.

By: rocket

rocket — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:50:11 +0000

Anymore questions IBO Fight Back?

The system is a problem. DEVOS HIMSELF referred to them as system abuses.

For an expert you sure don't make much sense...

By: Ty

Ty — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:29:47 +0000

I am helped by "crossline" in other locations all of the time. The incentive is that when they have a person in my location, I will help them.

It's called Teamwork.

As for the training side, the technology is in place to make it very easy to get the information out for free. There is no incentive for the diamond leaders to do that because they make a significant amount of their income from the tools business.

By: Jesse

Jesse — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:02:35 +0000

Good point, maybe that's why they seek to make profit from the tools- because I can't make a profit from your PV, but I can make a profit from tools if you join my system. Anyone can join anyone else's tool system. I'll sell you tools if you want. The incentive is when you get a bigger downline buying more tools from me. Then the system has become the supplier, not Quixtar- it's just what legitemizes it.

By: IBOFightback

IBOFightback — Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:36:02 +0000

Network TwentyOne is owned by Jim and Nancy Dornan. I did not join in Jim and Nancy Dornan's downline. So please again explain why they should help me?

You also ignored the fact that *even if I was in their downline* if you had a cursory understanding of the plan you would know that past a certain size business, the profit the earn from my business is negligible. So again - where's the incentive?

By: rocket

rocket — Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:59:16 +0000

IBOFightback

Before you decide to fight back, you should understand what it is you are fighting back about.

Guess what? Most people who have a poor opinion of Quixtar don't actually have aproblem with the products. Some may find them more expensive, but some may also feel its worth it.

I can't believe I have to explain this to you since you are an expert on the topic (snicker) but the problem is as follows:

Most of the "leaders" in Amway/Quixtar derived the majority of their income from the "tools" business.

That was a well kept secret. They knew it, and worst of all, Quixtar knew it...for almost a quarter century. Now they are apparantly going to fix the problem.

If the "tools" provide a true value (ie. lead people to financial freedom) then they are worth hanging on to. Most people do not feel they provide that.

As to why should they invest into something they get nothing out of, what do you mean?

If the "tools" do provide the know how for all the IBO's to have massive amounts of PV flow through their businesses, isn't that reward enough for the people providing the "tools"?

Oh, wait...

The "tools" are worth more than PV to them.

Throw that little fact on your Truths about Quixtar.