Comments on: $60K in Debt as a Q12 Quixtar Platinum http://mlmblog.net/2007/04/60k_in_debt_as_.html MLM News - MLM Reviews - Network Marketing News - Network Marketing Reviews Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:12:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: joe http://mlmblog.net/2007/04/60k_in_debt_as_.html/comment-page-1#comment-5259 joe Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:13:52 +0000 http://localhost/mlmblog/?p=866#comment-5259 You people are idiots defending these guys. Hanna, you are full of (edited). And you, Qyuantaious wtf. Go get a job in mcdonalds please.. I spent 19 years in the business,built it to close to emerald. I made enough money to stay home for 5 years. I was forced back to work when the upline decisions screwed up what we had as a team. I lost most of my people over two years, and decided that enough is enough. The couple above with the debt is probably right on the money. We had to go to 5-6 weekend functions per year at 2000 a pop when all was said and done. Inventory, gas, airfares, all add up to huge amounts. And oh, numbskull, did you factor in the taxes that they had to pay on the income you calculate? $ 44,000 self employment income, even if net profit, would then be taxed at close to 40%. Just a case in point of the corruption. Matt Du's organization in china was/is huge(he was downline FROM ME here in my us organization). I never received 10 cents from that group because I was not a diamond. These (edited) have ripped people off for years. I left in 2004 because I could no longer stand the (edited). Get a life. Your a phony and a clown. Stop posting nonsense. You people are idiots defending these guys. Hanna, you are full of (edited). And you, Qyuantaious wtf. Go get a job in mcdonalds please.. I spent 19 years in the business,built it to close to emerald. I made enough money to stay home for 5 years. I was forced back to work when the upline decisions screwed up what we had as a team. I lost most of my people over two years, and decided that enough is enough. The couple above with the debt is probably right on the money. We had to go to 5-6 weekend functions per year at 2000 a pop when all was said and done. Inventory, gas, airfares, all add up to huge amounts. And oh, numbskull, did you factor in the taxes that they had to pay on the income you calculate? $ 44,000 self employment income, even if net profit, would then be taxed at close to 40%. Just a case in point of the corruption. Matt Du’s organization in china was/is huge(he was downline FROM ME here in my us organization). I never received 10 cents from that group because I was not a diamond. These (edited) have ripped people off for years. I left in 2004 because I could no longer stand the (edited). Get a life. Your a phony and a clown. Stop posting nonsense.

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]]> By: Quantavious Wimbley http://mlmblog.net/2007/04/60k_in_debt_as_.html/comment-page-1#comment-3445 Quantavious Wimbley Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:09:48 +0000 http://localhost/mlmblog/?p=866#comment-3445 I Love This Business!!! I dont care what anybody say's!!! It's giving me HOPE!! and I will be not rich but have true WEALTH by the time i get out HIGH SCHOOL!!!....at 17!..lol...Reprogram your brain and get 2 work and offer this good thing 2 somebody who u believe can help themselves!! PEACE LOVE AND KISSES! I Love This Business!!! I dont care what anybody say’s!!! It’s giving me HOPE!! and I will be not rich but have true WEALTH by the time i get out HIGH SCHOOL!!!….at 17!..lol…Reprogram your brain and get 2 work and offer this good thing 2 somebody who u believe can help themselves!! PEACE LOVE AND KISSES!

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]]> By: Jay http://mlmblog.net/2007/04/60k_in_debt_as_.html/comment-page-1#comment-1580 Jay Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:55:08 +0000 http://localhost/mlmblog/?p=866#comment-1580 <p>What you wrote really scared the heck outta me man. But seriously, how poor are you in math. You said you I quote "Well my husband and I built the Quixtar business for almost 7 yrs, being CORE for all those years. We were affiliated with BWW and then switched our affiliation to LTD over 1 yr ago. We qualified Double Eagle, Founders Platinum, and Q12 up until the time we decided to no longer build this business. We were profitable but due to the system expenses and revolving door business, we racked up over 60K in debt. Man!!! <br /> As a Q12, your minimum income is at least 44K/YR (i.e 12month*$2000=$2400) + ($20K Q12 Bonus Check). <br /> Now either you and your Husband are either DUMB, CRAZY, Poor in Math or I dont know what else to say. <br /> You know all that happened in the world of Amway/Quixtar and BWW, LTD etc. but forgot to do the math.<br /> Now do you know why this business didn't work. You Moron, this is an Independent Business Owner business. Not a lemme change the world business. <br /> So all that you mentioned tells me that you were not in Business to make money but to point finger. Now thinking about it, only God knows if you were even doing the business. People who do this business make money.<br /> Next time, after you leave a comment at least be bold enough to put your darn name to it. </p> What you wrote really scared the heck outta me man. But seriously, how poor are you in math. You said you I quote "Well my husband and I built the Quixtar business for almost 7 yrs, being CORE for all those years. We were affiliated with BWW and then switched our affiliation to LTD over 1 yr ago. We qualified Double Eagle, Founders Platinum, and Q12 up until the time we decided to no longer build this business. We were profitable but due to the system expenses and revolving door business, we racked up over 60K in debt. Man!!!
As a Q12, your minimum income is at least 44K/YR (i.e 12month*$2000=$2400) + ($20K Q12 Bonus Check).
Now either you and your Husband are either DUMB, CRAZY, Poor in Math or I dont know what else to say.
You know all that happened in the world of Amway/Quixtar and BWW, LTD etc. but forgot to do the math.
Now do you know why this business didn't work. You Moron, this is an Independent Business Owner business. Not a lemme change the world business.
So all that you mentioned tells me that you were not in Business to make money but to point finger. Now thinking about it, only God knows if you were even doing the business. People who do this business make money.
Next time, after you leave a comment at least be bold enough to put your darn name to it.

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]]> By: Hannah http://mlmblog.net/2007/04/60k_in_debt_as_.html/comment-page-1#comment-1579 Hannah Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:01:26 +0000 http://localhost/mlmblog/?p=866#comment-1579 <p>I have been in Amway and Quixtar for 19 years and most of that time as just a buyer and casual attender of system functions (tapes, CD's too). I have been involved in 4 systems due to leadership changes, the latest one Network 21. In my entire 19 years the only debt I ever racked up was my own consumer debt having nothing to do with either business. My husband and I have a special needs daughter and it has been her needs that spurred us on to actually build a business which we are now Q12 Platinums. My husband makes over $120k a year but her needs take $40-$80K of that per year. It is because of this opportunity that we were able to stay out of bankruptcy. We definitely believe in the system approach to network marketing but not to a cult-like degree. My Lord, how did you get into $60K debt - why didn't you stop at $5k or $10k. Having been in this business for almost 20 years, I understand that people are still quite imperfect. But it is nearly impossible to go into debt when the start-up cost is $100 OR if you are an idiot and buy every CD, DVD and go to every function, etc. but don't actively do the activites that build a profitable business!! No one who has been in as long as I have believes anyone who says they got into debt as thought you are a victim. The business is as simple as get a number, buy your own stuff and show others how to do the same - we still do not carry any inventory other than a couple of extra toothpastes or detergents in case we run out. Give me a break!</p> I have been in Amway and Quixtar for 19 years and most of that time as just a buyer and casual attender of system functions (tapes, CD's too). I have been involved in 4 systems due to leadership changes, the latest one Network 21. In my entire 19 years the only debt I ever racked up was my own consumer debt having nothing to do with either business. My husband and I have a special needs daughter and it has been her needs that spurred us on to actually build a business which we are now Q12 Platinums. My husband makes over $120k a year but her needs take $40-$80K of that per year. It is because of this opportunity that we were able to stay out of bankruptcy. We definitely believe in the system approach to network marketing but not to a cult-like degree. My Lord, how did you get into $60K debt – why didn't you stop at $5k or $10k. Having been in this business for almost 20 years, I understand that people are still quite imperfect. But it is nearly impossible to go into debt when the start-up cost is $100 OR if you are an idiot and buy every CD, DVD and go to every function, etc. but don't actively do the activites that build a profitable business!! No one who has been in as long as I have believes anyone who says they got into debt as thought you are a victim. The business is as simple as get a number, buy your own stuff and show others how to do the same – we still do not carry any inventory other than a couple of extra toothpastes or detergents in case we run out. Give me a break!

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]]> By: ibofightback http://mlmblog.net/2007/04/60k_in_debt_as_.html/comment-page-1#comment-1578 ibofightback Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:02:56 +0000 http://localhost/mlmblog/?p=866#comment-1578 <p>Anyone surprised by what LOA this platinum was in?</p> Anyone surprised by what LOA this platinum was in?

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]]> By: G http://mlmblog.net/2007/04/60k_in_debt_as_.html/comment-page-1#comment-1577 G Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:11:02 +0000 http://localhost/mlmblog/?p=866#comment-1577 <p></p> <p> *********Adulterer Paul Miller and his Upline God, Adulterer Billy Britt absolutely have a vendetta against Larry. When Paul finally got divorced and Bill cheated on Peggy and was caught and she filed for divorce and they blamed it on a heart condition, the Winter's team had to carry the load of handling just about everything to do with BWW. Rex Renfrow had it out with Bill and left with harsh words at this time and numbers were in the crapper outside of Winters and Gala. Many, many good people and Diamonds businesses were affected more than they freely admit with all this. LTD is the end result of years and years of this type of nonsense. Leaders lead. It's as simple as that. </p> <p> **********BWW function numbers have dropped drastically since the Winter's Team left. Very hard feelings and words were said and ending with Britt threatening legal action to keep LTD financially handcuffed. Trying to prevent them from producing their own training material's to no avail. The depth to which BWW has sunk would astonish the masses of IBOs still purchasing cd's with current Saphires on stage speaking as current and qualified Diamonds. <br /> </p>

*********Adulterer Paul Miller and his Upline God, Adulterer Billy Britt absolutely have a vendetta against Larry. When Paul finally got divorced and Bill cheated on Peggy and was caught and she filed for divorce and they blamed it on a heart condition, the Winter's team had to carry the load of handling just about everything to do with BWW. Rex Renfrow had it out with Bill and left with harsh words at this time and numbers were in the crapper outside of Winters and Gala. Many, many good people and Diamonds businesses were affected more than they freely admit with all this. LTD is the end result of years and years of this type of nonsense. Leaders lead. It's as simple as that.

**********BWW function numbers have dropped drastically since the Winter's Team left. Very hard feelings and words were said and ending with Britt threatening legal action to keep LTD financially handcuffed. Trying to prevent them from producing their own training material's to no avail. The depth to which BWW has sunk would astonish the masses of IBOs still purchasing cd's with current Saphires on stage speaking as current and qualified Diamonds.

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