Comments on: $60K in Debt as a Q12 Quixtar Platinum

By: Mike H

Mike H — Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:42:59 +0000

I recruited Jake & Lisa Taylor back in ’78. They lived on 6-Forks Road in North Raleigh and were my x-wife’s clients. My old lady was a vet who started punching a clock at a clinic owned by Martin Litwack – a Jewish doctor on North Blvd just outside the inner beltline at Forest Animal Hospital – and later opened her own practice out-a-the back end of a yellow Honda CVCC Civic, I think it was. Litwack took care of Jesse Helms pooch “Patches”. We signed up under Gene & Mona Clothier of Wendell. Gene had a vet practice out there and his wife Mona was touted to be a former “Miss Guam”. Well, she was a looker, there’s no doubt about that. Gene was direct to Paul Miller. Then there was Chuck McFall, Tony Levan, Bill Britt then Dexter & Birdie. Jake was an accomplished artist and his beautiful wife Lisa was a programmer for the state and one of the brightest and most hilarious creatures I’ve ever met. They were more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Jake lived on the east side of 6-forks road – a mile or two south of the 6-forks. They recruited Tom & Connie Cooper, who were living in Chapel Hill, I think, at the time. Tom & Connie soon move to VA though, and started their struggling Amway business there. Jake & Lisa eventually got out. I got out not long after Rocky Covington’s $65/plate Diamond dinner at the Durham Civic Center, at which time we lost our $1500PV Bobby & Anne Thrower partners. I never thought Tom & Connie were gonna amount to a hill of beans. I might-a-misjudged. Me ‘n Paul road his new silver 450SL up there one night for a no-show. Somebody told me The American Way is no longer about the white board/easel/erasable marker/circles/shoe polish/LOC/hanky and that everyone clicks their way to success now. More power to ‘em, I say. Anybody know how to get up with Tom/Connie now? If so, buzz me up on my website (www.fizzgiz.com). Thx in advance.

By: Profitable_IBO

Profitable_IBO — Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:15:56 +0000

This is just great. Do you guys even know what profitability means????
OMG.. Your story loos like a bed time story that you read to a kid. Probably even the kid will laugh.. C’mon people. I am a new IBO (compared to u guys of 19 yrs experience) who has been in the business for 2 yrs and I am a qualified eagle with good solid structure. When you build good relationship and have a genuine interest in people, this business will be a piece of cake. Nowadays the profitability is sooo good that if you start selling some Nutrilite Double X and Artistry Creme Luxury, you guys can make back your $60k within 2-3 yrs. I have some single boys and girls in my team who can barely speak English but they make 200-300 profit a month..

By: joe

joe — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:13:52 +0000

You people are idiots defending these guys. Hanna, you are full of (edited). And you, Qyuantaious wtf. Go get a job in mcdonalds please.. I spent 19 years in the business,built it to close to emerald. I made enough money to stay home for 5 years. I was forced back to work when the upline decisions screwed up what we had as a team. I lost most of my people over two years, and decided that enough is enough. The couple above with the debt is probably right on the money. We had to go to 5-6 weekend functions per year at 2000 a pop when all was said and done. Inventory, gas, airfares, all add up to huge amounts. And oh, numbskull, did you factor in the taxes that they had to pay on the income you calculate? $ 44,000 self employment income, even if net profit, would then be taxed at close to 40%. Just a case in point of the corruption. Matt Du’s organization in china was/is huge(he was downline FROM ME here in my us organization). I never received 10 cents from that group because I was not a diamond. These (edited) have ripped people off for years. I left in 2004 because I could no longer stand the (edited). Get a life. Your a phony and a clown. Stop posting nonsense.

By: Quantavious Wimbley

Quantavious Wimbley — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:09:48 +0000

I Love This Business!!! I dont care what anybody say’s!!! It’s giving me HOPE!! and I will be not rich but have true WEALTH by the time i get out HIGH SCHOOL!!!….at 17!..lol…Reprogram your brain and get 2 work and offer this good thing 2 somebody who u believe can help themselves!! PEACE LOVE AND KISSES!

By: Jay

Jay — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:55:08 +0000

What you wrote really scared the heck outta me man. But seriously, how poor are you in math. You said you I quote "Well my husband and I built the Quixtar business for almost 7 yrs, being CORE for all those years. We were affiliated with BWW and then switched our affiliation to LTD over 1 yr ago. We qualified Double Eagle, Founders Platinum, and Q12 up until the time we decided to no longer build this business. We were profitable but due to the system expenses and revolving door business, we racked up over 60K in debt. Man!!!
As a Q12, your minimum income is at least 44K/YR (i.e 12month*$2000=$2400) + ($20K Q12 Bonus Check).
Now either you and your Husband are either DUMB, CRAZY, Poor in Math or I dont know what else to say.
You know all that happened in the world of Amway/Quixtar and BWW, LTD etc. but forgot to do the math.
Now do you know why this business didn't work. You Moron, this is an Independent Business Owner business. Not a lemme change the world business.
So all that you mentioned tells me that you were not in Business to make money but to point finger. Now thinking about it, only God knows if you were even doing the business. People who do this business make money.
Next time, after you leave a comment at least be bold enough to put your darn name to it.

By: Hannah

Hannah — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:01:26 +0000

I have been in Amway and Quixtar for 19 years and most of that time as just a buyer and casual attender of system functions (tapes, CD's too). I have been involved in 4 systems due to leadership changes, the latest one Network 21. In my entire 19 years the only debt I ever racked up was my own consumer debt having nothing to do with either business. My husband and I have a special needs daughter and it has been her needs that spurred us on to actually build a business which we are now Q12 Platinums. My husband makes over $120k a year but her needs take $40-$80K of that per year. It is because of this opportunity that we were able to stay out of bankruptcy. We definitely believe in the system approach to network marketing but not to a cult-like degree. My Lord, how did you get into $60K debt – why didn't you stop at $5k or $10k. Having been in this business for almost 20 years, I understand that people are still quite imperfect. But it is nearly impossible to go into debt when the start-up cost is $100 OR if you are an idiot and buy every CD, DVD and go to every function, etc. but don't actively do the activites that build a profitable business!! No one who has been in as long as I have believes anyone who says they got into debt as thought you are a victim. The business is as simple as get a number, buy your own stuff and show others how to do the same – we still do not carry any inventory other than a couple of extra toothpastes or detergents in case we run out. Give me a break!

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:02:56 +0000

Anyone surprised by what LOA this platinum was in?

By: G

Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:11:02 +0000

*********Adulterer Paul Miller and his Upline God, Adulterer Billy Britt absolutely have a vendetta against Larry. When Paul finally got divorced and Bill cheated on Peggy and was caught and she filed for divorce and they blamed it on a heart condition, the Winter's team had to carry the load of handling just about everything to do with BWW. Rex Renfrow had it out with Bill and left with harsh words at this time and numbers were in the crapper outside of Winters and Gala. Many, many good people and Diamonds businesses were affected more than they freely admit with all this. LTD is the end result of years and years of this type of nonsense. Leaders lead. It's as simple as that.

**********BWW function numbers have dropped drastically since the Winter's Team left. Very hard feelings and words were said and ending with Britt threatening legal action to keep LTD financially handcuffed. Trying to prevent them from producing their own training material's to no avail. The depth to which BWW has sunk would astonish the masses of IBOs still purchasing cd's with current Saphires on stage speaking as current and qualified Diamonds.