It would be hard to secure a hardy “second” on this because someone who is still in a break-away will deny this notion and someone who has left a break-away would be shouted down as a quiter or loser or worse yet a “traitor”, but I’ll submit it anyway. Perhaps it will stir the pot even further.

The factor I’m referring to is the temptation, in the breakaway, to help the people you promise to “help”, when you sponsor them…but only to the point that they never pass you. Informed people will know their comp plan and will be able to calculate, (within reason) their income as their business grows and transitions. If someone can predict the negative impact when a “break-away” occurs, perhaps they will be tempted to hold back support that could be crucial for the success of the achieving downline and the team.

I’m sure this doesn’t happen all the time in break-aways. However we would be silly to think it never happens.

Also, some in this discussion seem to belittle the sponsor who is wise enough and capable enough to recruit a “winner”. Wonder how that would play from stage? Instead of saying, “It’s always too soon to quit, you’re just ONE away from your dreams!” we could tell people, “You better save that money because as soon as you help Joe learn what you know…that income will be history, UNTIL you replace him”. A strong Check Match component that pays several generations in depth is a much better system for creating a culture of support.

And he does all this for fun, and is in no way compensated by anybody to defend Amway 24-7?

Ty has given a reasonable analysis of what he sees, and yet IBOFB, the spinner of spinners claims its a worse case scenario.

Well, I got news for you Dave, your pro analysis of Amway in every way, shape and form is cast in a best case scenario.

Because, you know, that’s how it would normally be, according to you.

Too bad there are hundreds of thousands, even MILLIONS of North Americans who had a bad experience in Amway, because that pretty much puts your theories about Amway in North America precisely where they belong.

In the toilet, which is where Amway’s reputation is here.

That’s about the only thing Amway has earned on this side of the world.

Five short years from now, Amway will truly be Global, in that everyone will know what a crock of a business it is.

BTW, for someone who LOVES lurking and trolling online about Amway on other’s websites, you sure have a problem publishing opinions that oppose your views on your own site.

Hypocrite.

The fact remains, you picked one particularly scenario for your “analysis” and ignored all others.

I’d love to see you’re data and research showing 2499PV is the norm when a downline breaksaway :-/

How much money does a person make in the Amway Stairstep Breakaway on a team that is doing 7500 PV (somewhere in the neighborhood of $25,000 sales) if they are doing 2499 PV (probably over $7500 sales) outside of that team?

I’m speaking about the U.S. system just to be clear.

Even then you’re wrong for all of the Amway world except North America. Any where else, if you only have the one team with serious volume, then you’re likely not getting a volume differential anyway – you’re making nothing on that downline as you’re both at the same. You need more than 2400 points in side volume to be at 21% (top of the scale) ahead of an 18%. Even in the American scale you need 2000 points from 21% to 23%, so your scenario only happens if you fail to increase your side volume by 400 points as the main leg goes from 4000 to 7500 points.

There’s ways to not get paid in every plan Ty, are all your plan analysis going to be based on “worst case” scenarios?

Dan – no offence, but you’re a child. Go play in your room.