I just received a third confirmation that Winters is breaking away from Britt World Wide (BWW).
Here is the quote as told by an upline Ruby to his downline:
“Winters Team no longer has any affiliation with Bill Britt or Paul Miller”
Outside of the obvious, this quote is telling because it places the emphasis on the Line of Affiliation or LOA over the Line of Sponsorship or LOS. Quixtar’s Line of Affiliation has always been muddy waters, where groups joined together in various systems even though they weren’t directly related in actual LOS.
I can say that for whatever reason, Winters seems to be breaking some Diamonds, whereas other teams like TEAM, BWW and WWDB are not.
who said bww is not breaking diamond? The Kanti Gala team broke 5 diamonds in 2004, JOhn Crowe team broke 5 diamonds in 2004 and winters did not break any diamond in 2004. and they all from Britt.Kanti Gala team broke one diamond, one EDC, one Double Diamond in 2005. John Crowe broke one diamond in 2005. Winters broke one diamond.This year which is 2006, Kanti Gala team already broke one diamond, and another one in qualification, and one Edc in qualification. You dont know what you talkinf about, so pls shut your pie hole.
John and Jennie Belle Crow were only in BWW Line of Association; their LOS was from one of Charlie Marsh’s diamonds — Bill Britt was downline from another of the Marsh diamonds (Dexter Yager).
Read my lips. Not enough Diamonds are breaking in Quixtar to make it a viable business. mmmkay?
How can that be misinterpreted to not be a "viable business"? After studying similar and dis-similar business models in the business world, this would seem to indicate great success. There seems to be so much bias and misinformation floating around, some lost passerby might actually believe what they read, not knowing the source from which it came.
Chris:
When are you going to be a diamond in Amway and/or Quixtar?
Preston,
What other companies have you looked into?
Take the 5 most important attributes of a Network Marketing company…
– Corporate Leadership
– Product
– Field Leadership
– Compensation
– Timing
…and I will give you ten companies that are better suited to provide an individual with a better opportunity.
I am in the Gala LOS. Who are the new diamonds and above?
Can you find out how to log into the Winters Team website http://www.freedom-team.com?
One way to make a rational decision is to create a MAUT worksheet and consider the 5 most important attributes as Ty mentioned. Than give each attribute a weight according to how important it is to you (scale of 1 to 5) Than list your considerations, IE: Quixtar, Oasis, Market America…etc, The worksheet will help you to make a non biased decision…remember to use facts and not fiction presented by people with an interest in the other companies.
Are you guys all so narrow minded? You have to look at the big picture. Do you know what a properly structured ruby is making? Hmmm…Why is diamond so important then? There are so many new emeralds bursting out all over the nation, Double Eagle Rubys in the hunt, it is only a matter of time before all the organizations are breaking massive amounts of diamonds every year. Be a skeptic, try to fight it off or build your new companies, but the trillion dollar company is going to pay the best. It just gets better and better every month. Wish you all the best, whatever team you are on or business you are in, hopefully someday your company will be as massive as the Q-biz. Young people you are the future… Go Diamond no matter what team you are on, set the example, and show them what you are made of
Ummmm… hello people? I am proud to say that I am part of Winters Marketing and want to ask you a question… would you be willing to tell the 30,000 plus people downline of L. Winters that he isn't leading them to fast paced- well structured growth? Face it, Q.com superstars like Joe M., Mike Bundy and Greg Francis are in Larry's downline… that smells like leadership.
rara,
Are you an IBO, if not you can not log in because you have to enter in your IBO info. If you are I can give you the information to login to the freedom-team.com website. Email me. spencer.bullis@charter.net
Markewicz team, upline Devane, personally sponsered by e.t. and his wife. They absolutely touched a gold mine. As we all know you can only get out of any business what you put into it. Me my upline, and my downline are on absolute fire. A team of pure hustlers.
All I've got to say is that if you're on the winter's team, diamond is a thing of the past. Build a business properly structured and you'll make crazy money at any level you want. You aren't going to see diamonds breaking very often, you're going to see EDC's and Double's due to businesses like Greg Francis'…anyone with 18 legs plugging in is set for LIFE…so for all you doubters…Enjoy your job, because you've got 50 years of it left. For those of you on any Q team…get er done!!!!
Is this winters marketing have anything to do with winters marketing freedom team?
They are the same.
Yeah… they'll be breaking lots of diamonds…
I guess thats why 1.7% of all directs ever become diamonds. The people with extreme luck, great charisma, and only then the blessing of the upline mafia sponsorship(meaning selling your soul to the upline group) will ever have the chance of even hinting at diamond level.
I went 2300 PV in 1.5 months.. I still believe this business is a corporate cult thats being run by men who are robbing the average joe schmoe blind by preying on their hopes and dreams.
Have you ever even Met Greg Francis?!! He was my uplines>upline. The man has more charisma than most anyone growing in the business. You aren't him, you won't have a large business. He can speak people into his business, but even that isn't helping him now. His group has flatlined at 300+ some people for the last 2 years… Even he can't stop the inevitable atm.
While on his team I saw people with absolute zero business sense or communication abilities get lucky and go 4000 PV, while business profesionals with a high level of intelligence couldn't sponsor one solid person.
But hey, keep believing what you've been told. I hope you have a college degree, otherwise your going to be working at Blockbuster the rest of your life. Only hired because you gave them a reference from quixtar, their partner company…
Wow Ty,
Yes I have met Greg. He is my former upline's personal leg. Y'know J.B.?
I'm not speaking as an advocate or promoter for anyone, but I've known Greg Francis almost since he got in the business. He like anyone else has more desire to live a life free from a job. He has been free to live his life for over 12 months now.
The Winters Team, as do many other teams affiliated with Quixtar teach morals, ethics, integrity, how to be a good husband, a good father, and a inspiration to others. They even teach that you should be giving 100% to your employer while your there. You should be 100% in ALL aspects of your life. Its a fantastic group to be a part of. I am scared to think where I'd be without the mentors I've had through Winters Marketing.
First off, quixtar is a supplier, and there ARE some groups that use quixtar that employ some shady tactics. These people, groups, and/or organizations hound people, give no support to their downline, and other various means.
However, in the Winters organization, this is not the case. Currently there are parts in the organization that are simply EXPLODING in growth. If someone is interested, great! If not, then we move on.
This is not a "get rich quick scheme." As far as building a team, it takes usually 12-18 months to make platinum.
Who needs to make diamond? Sure that'd be great, but platinum is equal to many middle class incomes, why not have that as a goal? After that your business will grow itself.
P.S. Greg Francis IS awesome!
Ty, you talk a lot of trash about Greg Francis' business in your comment dated Aug.26,2006. If his business is so flat-lined, then why is he in Diamond qualification? HMMMMMM?
LS,
I did not make any comments on that date.
A part of me has a great deal of respect for the work it takes to get to the diamond level in Quixtar and a part of me also knows that hundreds of people are losing money in that diamonds organization because of it.
Ty
Can you comment on Rocky Covington passing?
What happened, not much mentioned.
I could not find a reason for his passing. My thoughts and prayers are with his family.
Please pleeeeeeease make sure to keep an open mind to all sides of the debate on Quixtar/Amway (and all its current incarnations). I would like to encourage everybody to look at all sources of information – that includes negative ones. And think about it.
I know I felt like I shouldn't think about the system and I should shut out other negtive influences. That notion kinda tugged on my brain for a bit, something didn't seem right.
Please PLEASE take a little time to look at a couple websites about this. You may want to start here:
http://amquix.info/amway.html
And if you don't want to read logical arguments about the subject, you can check out the book that was published about this topic. It is available on the website above, called "Merchants of Deception". I would enjoy talking to anybody who is in The Business and have an open conversation on the matter. Email me.
What a bunch of losers
Yeah? Let me know when you knuckleheads start getting a cut in the pay for having your downline go to rallies and buying the gut wrenching tapes and "Tools". I was in Quixtar for 3 years and spent $ 20,000 because my UPLINE suggested it as an investment!!! They didn't tell me that 90% of the money made is when you cut a tape and people buy it. Did they tell you that? Play by their rules and you may make back your money, don't and you'll lose your @$$.
I was just 4 generations down from Larry Winters way back in 1988. Larry Winters was quite a motivator even back then. I used to love to hear him speak. What ever happened to Jeff Hathaway, John Cullen. Are they still on the Winters/Snipes team?
Hey Vernon Meyer, yeah, Winters seems kinda cool, but to me he acts very conceited, he only talks about eating pizza or taco's and the money he's making, and his wife likes her horses….Jeff hathaway, o yeah man, AWESOME guy, got to ride an elevator with him. He's emerald now i do believe as recognized at Snipes fall leadership 2006.
My take on this business is confused. I've been reading online a lot and read merchants of deception. I've been in now for coming up on a year, have made almost $80, and have spent probably about $8000 on everything. the products are great, and i love them, not really over priced, and what is a few bucks over priced anwyayz. The tools…I dont think they even motivate that well. I mean, they make me feel like i know i'm going to be rich, and i get lost just driving listening to them. Then i just go home feeling like my biz grew….i think they kind of make you dream, and as long as you have the dream, you stay in, and you buy the tools and make them guys some money. I dont even think its a bad thing to own the systems and make a ton off of them, but they should be way more helpful and should redistribute the income more. Why does one man and his wife with 3 kids need $10 million a year forever…and then more money??? i mean, stretch your dreams, yes, but larry's a carwash guy and was for like 10 years or so….so whatever…i dont think anyone NEEDS so much money. I would be 100% content with just making enough to not work ya know. what if larry winters started writing his own bonus checks anyway! o look, new platinum got a $100,000 bonus check as a congrats and GO DIAMOND gift! most of that money would prolly go towards more tools…and right back to his pocket anyway right? seems like theres just a million better ways to run a business than the way they do.
but then comes the point which no one seems to figure. what if the systems WHERE successful and made 100 diamonds a year…..there would be about 5 diamonds or so in every city across the nation and then there'd be no one left to sponsor so allllll the countless noobies would just have to be brainwashed to keep buying nothing…the cd's would be pointless because theres no growth to be had. so the newer diamonds would lose all income…eventually it would just all fall apart if it grew to fast.
another thing….this biz is cheap compared to opening up a franchise….but expensive compared to other ventures. I mean, I just started up an eBay business 2 months ago. I go to a thrift store, buy a cd/game/book/random thing for $0.99 and then have been able to sell it for anything from $0.99 to $50. then i just repeat over and oever. out of so far 80 purchases…i have only lost money on ONE item, and it was only like a loss of $1. and right now i've got a deal with an importer that i found online, where i buy a set of dvd's for $100 and sell them for $300-480 EVERY WEEK. i mean gosh, if you show the plan 30-50 hours a week like my upline has done for 5 years you may reach platinum like he has and make $2200 a month which he is making……or spend 50 hours out of your week going to thrift stores/clearance racks/bargian stores/online places and buying things that you can resell. you can even take a pic of the item in the store, go home, appraise its sell value on ebay, and go back to the store to get it. I only spend 5 hours a week doing ebay and make on average $300 a week now, before i got a hold of the dvd importer.
IN then information age, quixtar just seems to be To sloowww in a way to make money and it sucks your whole life away to be successful. what is success if all you can do is hang with quixtar people and only talk about the biz all day long (which is the true diamond lifestyle) i mean, you build a biz with all your spare time for 10-20 years and then tell me what other stories you will have to tell that dont involve showing the plan. and cambell haige on the winters team took 20 freakin years to go diamond.
to all quixtar afiliates!
JUDE 1 vs 8
In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.
10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals-these are the very things that destroy them.
12 these men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm-sheppards who feed only themselves.
16 These men are grumblers and fault finders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
I remember Larry Winters doing house planse in laurinburg, NC in the late 80's. It is awsome what he and pam have put together. I was in the Rocky Covington Org. for seven years until 95. Eveyone new Larry was going to be the next Big Bill…I'm glad he did…I was just a few rows back from the front of the stage when he went diamond and they couldn't even produce the tape from all of the balloons poping and shouting…it was crazy….
Now…That being said…I eventually dropped out for one reason…Money…Lots of Money…If you are going to be a "CORE" person and do all that is required to be successful (supposedly) then you were going to spend lots of cash…minimum 100pv? that roughly equals $200 a month, weekly meetings is another $5 or $10 bucks/week, then the night owls…then the monthly seminar/rally 20/40 bucks, and then the major 4 functions..100/200 for tickets and then another 100/200 for hotel and you have to eat…I figured it up…It was $500 a month in 1990 dollars…I didn't want to bring folks into a business like that when I knew it was going to cost so much to do and like it or not the turnover rate is staggering….I did not lose my dream, I just found a better place to do it…I travel the beaches of the world now as a travel agent and the business model is unbelievable….Before you judge me remember, I spent 7 years (actually plugging and and being core) with amway/quickstar and didn't miss a function…plugged in totally…the day I decided to take a breather, I never EVER again heard from my upline…
And last point…I know most folks are doing "the business" for the "Cause" of amway…they are trying to reach people on a spiritual level…I was at a function when Rich DeVos was giving a talk and I remember vividly him stating that the "Gates to Heaven" did NOT go through ADA, Michigan…He was spot on….You can reach people through any enviornment…
Just my 2 Cents…
By reading each of these entries I see that there are 2 types of people. This has proved that no matter where you are in life there will always be winners and losers. Some are winners because they can see themselves succeeding at anything they set out to do… Others have a losing mentality. Either they have "lost" something or believed from the start that they would never achieve what their original intent was. "It was a great idea but…." It is the but that separates a winner from a loser. It's being in 1st place or always coming in 2nd. The number one reason why a person fails at anything is belief. You may say that you have a great job and you didn't fail at it… It is because you always believed in yourself and what you were doing. Quitting this business and then falsely accussing it of "not working" is because you never truly believed in yourself for it to work. You may not believe it's true but the fact is that there was always an amount of doubtin your head or heart somewhere along the line. If you never believed from the start that you could succeed and that you were doing the right thing, you will drop out of the race IN ANYTHING… It doesn't have to be a quixtar affiliated business, it can be anything. That is why you will see bloggers post that they love this business – it's because they believe in themselves and what they are doing… On the other hand, you'll see bloggers post that this business is horrible, it ripped them off, they quit, and that is because they didn't believe, had doubt which made them not feel right about what they were doing, etc… Whatever the reason, it's because they always had a speck of doubt that grew to the point of them quitting. It's human nature is to feel good about who we are as individuals, that is why winning is so important. Quiters never win and that is why there are bloggers posting all over the internet because they quit on themselves and are trying to make themselves feel better about their decision to quit and not win. Unfortunately the internet is just a big pool of BLAH so just be careful who you are listening to. Gather facts from multiple sources, not just quiters – unless you want to join their pity party then feel free to join but you will never win at anything feeling pity or dwelling on the past. Get up, dust yourself off, and move on. It's the best thing you can do for yourself and others watching you…
I didn't quit, I resigned to build a different business and within 2 years of leaving Quixtar, I built a 6 figure income in Network Marketing.
There is a big difference between giving up and realizing that you made a mistake.
Quixtar (soon to be Amway again) will remain the most difficult to build Network Marketing company in North America.
Lisa I totally understand where you are coming from. My husband and I were in Quixtar for 3 years and quit in January. Being Core in Larry's group as a couple requires close to 20,000 dollars per year. We went into severe credit card debt. We brought 2-3 guests per week, did not miss a single thing, and did not profit ANYTHING. The truth is that you do not profit until you are a RUBY. That is a true statement coming from my previous upline Emerald (who by the way quit last year as well even though he had an income of 150,000. He couldn't stand the fact that so many of his downline were in financial turmoil. I don't care what any of you IBO's say, this business hurts MORE people than it helps. Just because we quit the business does not mean that we gave up our dreams. (most current ibos would call us losers) We have started a new business with our previous emerald (had to wait the 6 months of course to be within the quixtar rules) and have made more money in two months than we did in the entire 3 years with quixtar. I encourage you all to think LONG and Hard before joining this business. People lie about how much they are making, they lie about how much you really have to pay (but i just told you how much it really is), and they will pretend to be your best friend just to make a buck off of you. And now, with Quixtar going back to the Amway name, good luck!!! People will run away from you very QUICKLY when they hear that name. Trust me, everyone I've ever mentioned Amway to has had a negative response. Good luck to you all. And I hope that you don't make the same mistakes that we did.
the Sunday meeting or “church” as Larry called it was a total sham. I was literally lost for words how this man can manipulate people to believe that if I have church on Sunday it will make all my lies seen real. The whole seminar or whatever they call it was a waste of time. I could have been home sleeping. Larry is making more money at the seminars that at the LTD business. I will not waste
PLEASE STOP TRHOWING YOUR MONEY OUT THE DOOR.
They don’t encourage people to finish college because they keep telling them you will replace your income in a couple of years. Please people read and I hope and pray no one else falls into that same scenario. It is a waste of time and you will loose your money and also your life will differ dramatically if you don’t fall into financial distress.
DO NOT JOIN ANY OF THE LTD TEAM. THE WAY THE BUSINESS WORK IS YOU HAVE TO CONSTANTLY KEEP BRIGINNING PEOPLE ON BOARD IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY.
Truth be told, Larry makes about a million dollars from a function. They tell you that the tickets cover the cost of the venue, but the truth is that most of the time the city will allow it to be rented for free considering the amount of business he is bringing into that city. He makes WAY more on the tools than he does at a function. Just wanted to clarify that for the sake of really being truthful. As I said before, I will not have any part of this business ever again, other than letting the TRUTH be heard.
To DAVID: You can't possibly assume you know why people have quit this business. You sound just like all of the other people who are completely brainwashed with this bull. Trust me, I used to say the same things. The truth of the matter is that there are VERY few people in the history of quixtar, or excuse me, AMWAY that have actually completed the program in 5 years. That in itself tells you it is not working as it is supposed to. To me, if this business REALLY works as stated there should be new diamonds flooding those stages at every function. But instead you see people that are hopeful filling the seats of those stadiums, and close to NONE of them will ever be diamonds. You have to come to a point where being REALISTIC is necessary. As I said in my previous post, WE DID EVERYTHING that we were supposed to do for years. We had the big team, we were looked at as celebrities in the business. The truth was that everyone in my team was HURTING financially because of all the money we told them to put into this thing. We didn't profit anyting. You have to look at what you are puting in and what is coming back out. You say that this business works if you only believe. Well, you also have to have LOTS of money, and continue to spend hundreds of hours away from your family. You NEVER get that time away back. You probably will say, well when I'm a diamond, I'll have all the time in the world. WRONG. Every diamond who has quit building their business at that point, does not stay diamond for long. MOst diamonds spend MORE time on their businesses than they did building it to that point, JUST TO KEEP it there. There are other really great MLM opportunities….this is not one of them. I truly feel sorry for those that have been emotionally manipulated by this business. Calling a person a Loser for quitting something that just didn't work for them, is irresponsible and just plain mafia-like. You wouldn't call someone a loser for chosing a new job that increased their income, and made them grow and develop more than ever. I would suggest that you take a closer look, THINK FOR YOURSELF instead of sounding like a programmed robot, and if you think Quixtar is for you, great. I just like to share my experiences because it is the Truth as I've experienced it. People deserve to KNOW the truth.
Sara,
Your story is your story. Truth has nothing to do with it. Spending $20k a year for a couple in any system is ridiculous and retarded. I have empathy for your pain but ZERO sympathy for your whining and blatant stupidity blaming an entire organization for YOUR financial decisions and lack of stewardship. Everything you are complaining about was done to you by you.
For God's sake SARA "think for yourself" and learn is what is taught in LTD. By Larry, Danny, Mike, Jake, Joe, Campbell and their leaders. I've counseled and asked for counsel on finances and have NEVER EVER been told to go into debt on any level, even when we were in qualification for extra big $$$.
We are less than a third of $20k "on everything" at everything. With leadership team extras on top.
OUR retail customers and marketing programs pay for ALL OF OUR PDP's and web office/ceps/tickets.
Take responsibility for your life and stop the blame game. If it is not for you than do something else. And no you are not a loser because you decide to do something else. Just move on.
I love how people think that they know about something based on the "FACTS" they have found on Google or other search engines. Anyone who knows anything about research knows that NO professional research organization will even take a reference from most internet search engines because it is mosty agenda based opinion. If you research organizations that actually look at fact and are credible such as the Better Business Bureau, The US Chamber of Commerce, Dunn and Bradstreet, and The Federal Trade Commission, you will find that Quixtar has the HIGHEST possible rating you can have with any of them. Quixtar has also produced more millionaires than any other company in the US except for Microsoft and Dell. (How bout them apples!) So, if your a hater go come up with somethin original to thow at this business model that has stood for over 50 years. DON'T keep regurgitating CRAP that you think you know because some LOSER, yes I said LOSER, posted it on Google.
-disclaimer: When I say loser I am not calling that particular person a loser at life, just at the cash flow game.
****Don't go ask a broke person how to make money because they don't know!!!****
…….This just in…….It has been discovered that the foundes of Amway/Quixtar, the Devos and Van Andel families have revealed their dirty little secret…They have bought and paid for the Orlando Magic, Peter Island, a Yacht company, and many other businesses with an illegal internet based scheme that has been in operation for over 50 years, but was just now found to be an illegal pyramid…..I can't believe the Federal Trade Commission just found this out and haven't done anything to deregulate it yet….Oh wait maybe because it is the best opportunity for the average American to get financially free, and it is not at all an illegal pyramid…..But what about buying tools???…… God forbid I buy any materials from this business because my boss doesn't get paid to teach me how to build HIS business does he. He just loves teaching me how to become my own boss too because he has my best interest at hart.
*****Just in case you haven't figured it out. I am being very sarcastic. Quixtar is the best business opportunity in America to create true lifestyle.*****
-Haters go be broke or figure out some other way to create time and money…..GOOD LUCK!!
Do you honestly think that their are aprox. 40,000 individuals in this business and it is illegal and no one does anything about it. I have been in for over 3 months and am already seeing success. My upline has one of the most successful business family in Virginia and is worth millions do you think he is just throwing his money away and that all these people have no clue about finances and are losing money. The business system works…period. But you can believe what you want and thats why you will live broke and whining on a computer all day about a business oppurtunity you missed out on. Their are very successful people outside this business in their jobs that are in Quixtar and LTD because they know it works and that it is going to give the freedom and lifestyle. I am sure all the Lexus' and Hummers I see every week at the meetings are putting everyone in debt. So don't believe in the business but quit saying it loses people money because why woould they keep doing it do you think millionaires can't control their money its harder for them than you who are making $30,000 a year a crying about everything because your not making it!!
I have realized a few things from reading this….some people like the business…some dont. Some will build it, some wont. Ty seems to make a living hating on Quixtar IBOs. If you dont like it, dont do it. If you ike it, do it. Why do you waste so much time writing stuff on a wall. Why should anyone believe your opinion as truth, whether its for Quixtar or not?
Pretty simple. If you disagree with something I said, prove me wrong. If I can save someone the time and effort they wasted with Quixtar by letting them know about other (better) companies out there (mine or otherwise), it's time well spent.
I have been an IBO on the Winter's team for 5 years. I know beyond a shadow of doubt that this business works if YOU work IT! It is all a matter of how much work you put in to it. Have I invested way more than I've made! Yes! That is my own fault though for being lazy and not doing what I know I can do. The hardest part of this business is being disciplined and developing yourself. If you're not doing the work than you will invest more than you make, but YOU determine that! It is not like a job where you work and get paid immediately. I think that God sometimes wants to see if your faithful and trustworthy of the prize! The Bible says, "Do not grow weary, for in due season you shall reap your harvest IF YOU FAINT NOT! I have not seen anywhere, not even in most churches the integrity of men and women that I have met in LTD. If you believe you can build this business and you're willing to work hard, than you too can be financially free and spend the rest of your life with TRUE friends.
This comment answers you Mike that was posted on November 12th 2007. You commented, why waste so much time writing on the bathroom wall? It is because these types of people are a mystery of life. mystery? what? yes a mystery of life that they can walk upright without a spine!
People immediately start criticizing someone that steps out of being average in life. Are there the amount of forums like these that exist for/about people that work a job for 50 years. Retire, then update their resume and have to go work as a greeter somewhere. No there isn't. The second you or anyone else in the world deviates from the beaten path they get criticized.
It is the people that step away from the beaten path that make America what it is today.
America needs people to work jobs. America also needs people with the free enterprise spirit. After all we are one of the very few countries in the world that you can go into business for yourself for a small price to pay.
And as far as some of the comments about people being in the system for a long time and just making it to emerald or diamond, understand this. You can not negotiate your price of success, only pay it. If you don't understand that, you don't deserve to. You have no idea who these people really are and how much they had to change to get to where they are. You just see them as a statistic. At least they are doing something about their future instead of just existing on this earth.
Here is a good question for you to ponder over, x yourself out of the equation. How's your family doing?
Larry Winters is laughing all the way to the bank. Bless your poor heart's. I knew Larry before he got in the business. He was a scamer then, anything to make a buck. I guess he finally found his mouth has made him money. Its too bad that so many people have lost so much money. Its a shame. All of you should stay in church dont go to money church ie fuctions… Stay away for your own good. the IRS will audit… me and my x husband were the first in larry's group…Thats what ended our marriage,
How did it end your marriage? Larry and the other Diamond Leaders have always taught us
1. God
2. Family
3. Carreer
4. Personal Business
Why would you put your lousy choice of a partner or poor relationship skills on somebody elses shoulders. You or your spouse ended your marriage. Nobody else.
By the way Y-all. Im making money, my business supports itself, and my wife and I are very much in love and having a blast at our independent business.
I used to be a devoted part of Larry's team.
I am not any longer for various reasons. #1 lack of support/ almost never getting a call back from my active upline when I needed something. I feel this is a reasonable request from a business partner, especially one who had been loyal for years.
However I can honestly say that the then Britt, Miller and Winters team system was an incredible program that was still a positive experience for me and my family. I would not trade that time for anything else and would certainly do it all over again.
Bill Britt is a genius, Paul Miller is an incredible & loyal human being, and Larry also is probably the greatest teacher I have ever studied with in my life. Too bad Larry either did not have or do not display the heart I have seen displayed from some others.
I still feel I owe Larry much and will forever be grateful for the things he did contribute to me and the encouragement I received from He and Pam at certain times.
It is the little foxes that spoil, proverbs says and sometimes we can have many things in our lives correct but it is usually some attitude we cannot see that can destroy our lives.
I would encourage anyone to get involved in network marketing as it has saved my life in many ways, just be sure to look for support and brains from those you are getting with. One alone is not usually enough to have things go as they should, so look for brains and heart.
Thank you Bill, Paul, and Larry and Pam for everything. God bless…
Larry winters was the man back in the day.
How anyone can spend $20,000 in three years and not start making an income is ludicrous. This is the BEST BUSINESS PLAN on the planet. Larry Winters & ALL the way up to Yager and back DOWN to our sponsorship in Australia ROCK – They are people with the utmost integrity and if I have to make money from people signing up to the system and learning how to be the greatest they can be then SO BE IT – don't we all want the BEST out of this short life – LET'S LIVE IT- LIVE THE DREAM. The only negativity I ever hear comes from the LOSERS who don't have the guts to hang around long enough to make it work – READ A BOOK, CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE AND GET A PERSONALITY Hey that might just work!!
**The only way anyone would say that Amway has the best business plan is someone who has not looked at any business plan outside of Amway. – ed**
To True Lies-Aug. 24 Greg Francis didn’t start the business with “great charisma”. He changed his life by listening to men who had great character, reading books, and listening to CDs. Isn’t that how anyone becomes something that they weren’t before? If you want to be a doctor, you listen to current good doctors, read books on the subject, and other learning tools, classes, etc. That’s what Greg Francis did in the Amway business. Side note: He went Diamond and above in a total of about 6 years. For those that don’t know, that’s at least a high 6-figure income yearly, willable to 2 generations.
A quote from TrueLies: “While on his team I saw people with absolute zero business sense or communication abilities get lucky and go 4000 PV, while business profesionals with a high level of intelligence couldn’t sponsor one solid person.” Even though TrueLies was trying to bash the Amway business, he told you why it’s a great business. ANYONE, that wants to can do it. He told you he personally saw people with zero business sense/communication abilities make money. I can tell you why his statement sounds true to me because those people listened to their upline, and allowed them to help them make money. Highly educated people tend to think they know everything, and have a hard time listening, which is why he saw them make no money. I, however do have a 4-year degree, and don’t have a problem listening to someone that has something I want. Thanks TrueLies for being a negative person about Amway that still proves the business works. I would like to hear what TrueLies thinks about college degrees in today’s economy.
To Ty March 21: Corporate Leadership-The company is run by at least 13 multi-millionaire couples(LTD Team) with numerous years of experience; all whom started at the same position each person would start at.
– Product-The supplier is Amway who provided products world-wide for 50+years. A company doesn’t last 50 years with bad products.
– Field Leadership-There are weekly training classes available in all 50 states,and in multiple cities in most cases/state. Upline sponsors will help you all along the way, even in the ‘field’.
– Compensation-The highest compensation plan of any MLM. You don’t have to go Diamond to make enough money to live on. For example, 50k-80K well before you go Diamond.
– Timing-No better time. The economy is bad, and people are losing there corporate, traditional jobs. So many people are unemployed and don’t know what to do.
Sounds like a great business to be a part of. I’m sure there are other good MLM businesses out there as well. If they provide the things TY mentioned, go for it.
James, May 1 is right. Dave, Sept.8 is right. Ryan, Sept.11 is right. To the people that lost money in the business: I’m not sure why you lost so much money, or went into credit debt, etc; The biz is designed to run on a shoe-string budget. For products, you buy things that you normally ‘spend’ money on at other stores regardless of whether you’re in the biz or not. Other than that, anything I buy is within my budget; my upline never recommended that I get a biz loan or put things on a credit card that I couldn’t afford. Perhaps if you lost money, or went into debt, it’s because you didn’t fix your household budget. Regardless of how much money you make at your job or any biz., you have to budget. You can have a job, and go broke on beer, cigs., gambling, cable tv, etc. Of course those things don’t get you anywhere ‘successful’ in life.
To Vernon_Meyer, Feb. 4: When a music artist makes a CD, and people buy it; does the artist make money? Hmm, my guess is YES. After we listen to the music, does it provide us with information that will make us money or help us achieve our dreams, make us a better person, etc? My guess is NO. Yet, you have no problem with a music artist making a CD, and getting lots, or even a little money from it; why is that? But you have a problem with someone making money from a CD designed to help people in their life. Doesn’t make sense. i don’t know about you, but I don’t have musical talent so I don’t have the optional of making money from a music CD; but it should excite you that you could say something of value to help people, and make money doing it. You do know that you had the same opportunity to do so, right? I mean, I don’t know where you work, but I hope they do pay you when you ‘do’ something. I hope thats how things still work, or should we ‘do’ everything for free in life.
Jakers, Aug.13 is right. To Dave, March 29: Larry isn’t conceited, and his heart isn’t focused on the material things. He shows you his lifestyle because there are people that want to know, if I put the effort into this biz, what kind of lifestyle can I have? You may not like the things he likes, or horses like his wife; but if they can buy things that they enjoy, maybe you can buy things that you and your family enjoy. And to your comment about, people don’t need all that money; that sounds like a selfish comment even though you didn’t intend it to be. What if you personally make $1Million dollars/year; why don’t you live off 10% of it, since you don’t need it, and donate the other 90% to people that need it like churches, charities, or worthy causes. Which is more selfish, what I just said, or making $50K/year at a job, and living on a $60K/year budget? Isn’t that what about 95% of people are doing, living in debt, meaning they spend more on themselves than they make? You need to know how much Larry Winters donates and helps people before you make a statement like that. Also there’s about 360 million people in America alone. The biz. is worldwide. Everyone won’t do it. Not worried about saturation.
To Marc, Apr. 19: Not sure what you’re trying to imply with this Bible verse, but it doesn’t describe Larry Winters and the LTD Team. Maybe you found this verse because you needed to read it for your own life; 10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals-these are the very things that destroy them.
It sounds like You are trying to speak “abusively” against Larry Winters. Where has it gotten you in life and how has it helped you in your ‘spiritual walk’ since you read the Bible?
To PleasePleasePlease: In anything, it’s hard for a person, biz, entity to be highly successful without someone saying something negative about you. That’s just the nature of people. You have to decide, is that my personal experience, or is this source truly reliable. I’m sure you’ve shopped at Wal-Mart before; do you think someone has ever written something bad about Wal-Mart before or sued them? Yes, but is that your experience with Wal-Mart, and do you continue to shop there?
To David May 23: Unless you bought absolutely Nothing before you got into the biz., I’m not sure how you count buying products that you need for you household monthly, regardless, as an expense. The other investments you mentioned are optional, and designed to help you make money faster if you listen. But for sake of discussion, lets say you were right about the money you spent or invested depending on whether you were listening/applying the information; have you ever ran a traditional business? Pick your favorite business that you frequent a lot, ask the manager/owner if they are able to spend “$500/month”, and make 6 figures, or millions as a return on their investment. I seriously DOUBT it. Let’s look at the numbers on some other franchises. One of the cheapest ones is a subway, and it only cost you about $150,000 upfront, and something like McDonalds costs you $1 Million+. Do you have that laying around in the bank with nothing else to spend it on before you even open the biz? And yes, you can reach people in any environment. It’s just a bonus to do it, and make money.
Lisa, June 20 is right.
To Everyone Else: I’ve spent enough time educating everyone. It boils down to this: you can accomplish anything if you Believe in what you’re doing, and you back it up with Commitment through Persistent and Consistent Effort. If you’re a negative person, you can find something negative about anything, and criticize it. If you’re a positive person, you’ll find positive things, and eliminate distractions. It’s impossible to be successful at something if you quit before you reach the finish line. This is especially a bad decision when others have already shown you that the goal is attainable, and not impossible. It doesn’t matter how long something takes for you to accomplish if the end result is worth the wait. It is sad for you and your family if you give up a ‘great'(money+time to enjoy it) life for a ‘good'(money+little time to enjoy it) life. These statements apply to anything in life, not just a particular business venture. For me personally, a ‘good’ life, with 40+ years of working 40+hours/week just wasn’t for me. It may seem like the way to go, but not if you have a BIG DREAM, and want to spend the most time with the people you love, doing the things that make you happy. I hope this helps someone.