If I had a dime for every Quixtar IBO that touted the company sales when pressed about the failure of their individual business, I could retire.
Let’s face reality. How much volume did you do? How much volume did you create without the big lie? How much volume did you create without the tools scam? I could care less if your company did a bizzillion dollars. How are you doin’?
As far as I know, no Quixtar IBO has even reached 7500 product volume without the tools scam. So don’t come to my blog yappin’ about the success of your company when you know that the success of your company relies on a complete scam.
Whoa Ty — calm down buddy. Man, you really could use some stress relief formula.
I've noticed this meaner, pricklier Ty for several weeks now – decided to finally make a comment regarding it – and I now get the "mad as Heck and not going to take it anymore" Ty. What gives man?
Show me one Chevy salesman that made it to the top trashing Fords. Show me one athlete, journalist, attorney, policeman, senator (ok, forget that one), etc. that made it to the top by trashing others.
Simple question Ty – what were Passport's sales in 2004?
Kent F.
Ray — you make a good point, but it's off topic.
It's really very basic – Ty stated Quixtar was a failed company. While he didn't directly counter that with "but Passport is a successful company" – that is obviously what's implied.
I'm talking purely from a business' profitability perspective — I don't care how easy/hard you think something is, don't care how long you've tried something, I'm not trying to pitch, promote, rationalize, etc. — maybe I'm being too simplistic for you guys.
I say that statement is false. I say a company doing $1.5B in sales, with new, innovative and highly attractive products coming online every other month is not a failure – not to even mention the ongoing, regular high profile articles coming out about Quixtar's "stickiness", sales volume, etc.
Seems to me a pretty easy comparison would be to compare company sales AND product innovation. THAT my friend was the question – and Ty hasn't and won't answer it. Instead he's chosen to shoot the messenger, or belitle him.
You guys want to take it back to a personal salesman's position – that wasn't the gist of Ty's post, nor my response.
Seems to me that would be a different post for a different day – and, shockingly enough, we might find tons of common ground on that issue guys 😉 — you never know.
Take this for what it's worth — both of you guys seem dead-set on "doing battle" with everyone — you mistake a simple question as a potential for yet another throw-down.
Warmly,
Kent F.
BTW – I'm not picking on Ty – this is a question my analyst side asks every day — and, yep, there are plenty of "failures" out there in direct sales.
If a company has good products that people see value in, and a motivated sales force – the sales numbers will look pretty good. Most companies I know that are secretive of their sales figures – are so for a reason.
It is my understanding that this year marks the last year that Quixtar and Amway are REQUIRED to release sales figures.
On that topic; IF next year they do NOT release figures, will they be accused of not being honest? Will they be able to use the defense that they are a privately held company, just like Passport?
No, it doesn't help the average IBO sell or sponsor.
But as MLMers, if we preach due dilligence to our prospects, then that usually entails checking out the stability and endurance of a company; including it's sales performance.
Many MLMers express their faith in a company that is publically traded and whose stock can be tracked.
In a privately held company, we have no stock price to point to. We rely on other factors like: Years in business, type of compensation plan, total sales, et cetera.
So I don't think sales figures are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Also if you point to the fact that "company sales" have no bearing on the individual effort of a new IBO, then how can you justify the MLM critic who asks for an Individual IBO's Schedule C, before the critic would join Quixtar or Passport?
The personal schedule C would be compared to the MLMer's "company sales" figures.
The Schedule C would be irrelevant to what the new prospect or Average IBO would earn in his OWN activity.
Just my observations on the discussion.
Dave
Ty – you're killing me – you continually ask if there is an ibo doing 2,500 pv sans tools – then in the same breath you say Passport sale figures are irrelevant and they won't be disclosed regardless. So, it's relevant what IBO's do, but not relevant what Passport reps do in sales volume? I honestly don't get it. Or, actually I do – you don't want to be painted with the same brush you apply to Quixtar.
I know where your coming from Ty. Always have some one liners for people when they ask you questions.Answer a question with a question,I'm just getting started even though you've been in for years,How much do you think I'm making?. They always said no one could go 7500 (direct) without being on the tools. It is true the majority of people never went direct without tools.I personally don't care how much Passport does all I care about is how much I do! Quixtar people need numbers to try to brag to try to get people in! Passport is so simple and you can move products easier than Quixtar its a joke.I'm not going to tell you how much I'm making but after 16 years in Quixtar I'm happy with the Passport opportunity.
Yes, I am a bit fiesty lately. It tends to build up based on the conversations I have with good, hard working people that are being shafted by Quixtar.
The topic was never Passport's sales.
Passport is a privately held company and is not required (unlike Quixtar/Amway) by the FTC to release numbers and therefore doesn't release them.
However, all of that is immaterial. Quixtar has no one doing any significant volume without the help of the 2-5 year lie and the tools scam (that I am aware of). If I am made aware of someone doing 7500PV without the tools scam I will post about them, screaming their praises here and on my podcast.
As for trashing others or comparative marketing? Get real. Quixtar IBO's have done it for years. However instead of trashing another MLM, they trash a person's career.
Next post will shed some light…
By the way, Kent. I didn't say Quixtar was a failed company. I implied that they failed in the beginning, like all companies do. If you go back and read the post, you will see that I was drawing a direct comparison to the article that I posted.
Quixtar had a great chance to evolve and inovate with regards to the tools business and they didn't do it. Time will tell where that will leave you.
David,
I could care less if Quixtar released it's sales figures. Spouting off figures like 1.5 billion does not help the average IBO sell products and sponsor people. It's an irrelevant number when it comes to the profitability of distributors.
I agree, the schedule c is irrelevent too…the schedule c discussion usually comes up when a Quixtar IBO makes an income claim.
Back on point, Quixtar doing 1.5 billion does not help the average IBO turn a profit. In fact, if the average expenses and income are analyzed, it appears as though the average Quixtar IBO loses money.
Dave,
Is there anyone doing even 2500PV without the tools scam?
Kent,
The difference is, I know Passport associates that are producing real volume in the thousands of dollars without the 2-5 year lie or the tools scam.
You hang your hat on 1.5 billion in sales and I am saying that those sales are based on a lie and a scam.
Leaving your personal business out of this, perhaps a better questions is, what percentage of Quixtar's sales occur outside of the 2-5 year lie and the tools scam?
Hey, I did 3000PV when I was in Quixtar without having a downline hooked into the tools scam. So, it can be done…it's just really unlikely and you have to be willing to sell stuff. 🙂
Doug,
You should write a book about it and sell it to Q IBOs. = )
Oh sure…get me to be a pandering author. On the plus side, I have heard Kyosaki makes a pretty good living doing that. 🙂
It wouldn't be a very long book, but I'm sure it would still be 19.95 if you purchased it on system. 🙂
It's kind of a funny when I think about it. Before I started selling stuff, I was already 90% certain I was going to leave Quixtar when that year was up. I just decided I didn't want to leave having lost as much money as I did to that point. Weird…when I was "fired up" and showing the plan a lot, I never got over 500 pv and when I decided to quit Quixtar at the end of the year and sell stuff in the mean time I hit the 1000 pin and the 2500 pin in no time. 🙂