InternetRetailer.com recently reported zero growth in Quixtar online sales for fiscal year 2005. Yet, Quixtar has raised prices 5-10% a year for the past 2 years. For example, Quixtar’s Double X vitamin was $68.35 in 2003 and is listed at $78.05 today.
How do these two bits of information connect? Good question. If Quixtar has zero growth in online sales, but raises their prices 5-10%, you can speculate that the revenue created by the price increases likely made up for an actual decline in product sales.
I suppose from an accounting standpoint, revenue is revenue, but from a Quixtar IBO standpoint it probably means that JOE IBO simply spent more money out of his families budget on vitamins, that were overpriced to begin with.
I've suspected that much of Quixtar's sales growth in the last few years has been due to price increases. Prices went up 5-10% and revenue went up at about the same rate, maybe a little more. Now they have price increases, but no increase in revenue? Sounds like a shrinking customer base.
Heck, who can blame the IBO's and/or customers for leaving? The Quixtar business model is broken. Even if an IBO is able to convince someone to look at "the plan" and they get excited and sign up. The person gets sticker shock when they see the prices and thinks, "What planet are these guys from where they think any vitamin is worth almost $80 a month?" Time for Quixtar to catch a clue.
CLUE: The people who are interested in becoming Quixtar IBO's are people who would like to earn extra money, right? That means they are not looking to greatly increase their monthly expenses by buying products that are grossly over-priced. If they can't see value in buying these products, how are they supposed to sell them to anyone else? Heck many of the people who got into Amway way back when (and trul sold stuff) couldn't even begin to aford Quixtar products today.
So, if Quixtar is indeed starting to slide, does this mean we might see the corporation "open" overseas markets to Quixtar…essentially shuffling people out of Amway and into Quixtar to give the impression of "explosive" growth?
What impact do you think the PV/BV changes made on the biz as well?
http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/archives/2004/06/pvbv_message_from_larry.php
Simple – by reducing PV, people are going to have to buy/sell more products to hit a pin level. This move was done to increase product consumption/sales. It failed. 🙂
I'm sure initially it pushed sales up, but people will only tolerate that for so long. So, while the PV went down and the BV went up by the same amount, the prices went up and the folks who did keep getting bonuses only got a maximum of 30% of that 4% bv increase. I think the net result was people started seeing their checks getting smaller because they didn't qualify at the level they were used to making. Maybe the guys higher up got bigger bonuses at first because folks were falling out of their previous brackets as their usual orders just didn't "cut it" any more. I think given price increases and the declining rewards, it's pretty easy to see why Quixtar is killing themselves. This probably doesn't make much sense unless you're an Amway/Quixtar junkie or a recovering junkie. 🙂
This whole pv/bv shell game is ridiculous. It's just one way the company messes with their ibo's (read "employees" :). Why have a complex formula unless you are trying to hide something? Does anyone believe these complex formulas make things more fair for the salesperson? These things make me feel like I'm watching a magician and having my attention diverted by some fast-talking slickster, while the real magician is getting away with murder. (ya gotta love Penn and Teller 🙂
Hold on a sec. Quixtar really ripped its IBOs. The BV is supposed to rougly approximate the price. So if the prices went up by 6%, but the BV only went up 4% AND the PV went DOWN 4%, Quixtar screwed its IBOs both times!
Incredible.
Where are the Quixtar people who will stand up and say why it ain't so!
They aren't supposed to be on the Internet because it's so negative.
Wait a sec . . . aren't they in "eCommerce"?
Go figure . . .
All people have to do is go to the quixtar website & look @ the prices & they will see you are putting a List Price (if it was sold @ the store). I have used the products also so I know what I paid for them. I used to buy the Scooby Doo vitamins & they are loaded w/ sugar & that's why kids take them. The prices aren't that much different since you need to take more of them & there aren't as many in a bottle so the price is the same as the supermarket. Also to add the Nutrilite Kids Multivitamin is better quality (just look @ the label)& my kids love them & actually ask for the vitamin. When it comes to Makeup we all use the company that we like best in the past I would use Lancome for Mascara, Clinique for Powder & MAC for eye shadow, lipstick, lip liner, & blush. All great companies too. I decided to TRY the Mascara from Artistry & it's the same as the Lancome Mascara that I would use & it's @ a minimum of $10 cheaper & the same quality!! You seem to bash Quixtar but no other company & their prices why?? You obviously just have something against them (not really them just the TEAM you were involved w/) & are now a competitor trying to get their IBO's by putting prices on your Blog. You don't have to do anything or buy anything if you don't want to it's a choice. All you seem to have on your website is 3 different choices of Products where Quixtar has multiple choices & a lot of Partner Stores & Services that we also use monthly that we can just re-direct our purchases through the Website. I highly doubt that all the companies are out to "scam us" I guess they all have nothing better to do w/ their time. Ex. Disney, Circuit City, Things Remembered, Barnes n Noble, Office Max, MCI, etc etc etc. They see what the internet offers & what people are naturally doing & that's why they become a Partner w/ Quixtar. The XS Drinks also is another product that is exploding & people love the drinks & are always asking for them & where they can get them. Again they have the Vitamins & Flavor no other company offers! I had a friend who is overweight that said he drank it & did have more energy & didn't need to stop helping out outside since he did feel a difference. Why sit and bash one company? What about all the companies out their & their prices & the hundreds of real scams going on? Why are you after one company? You need to move on and get on w/ your life & promote your company & lay off of Quixtar. Be positive instead of so negative you probably spend more time & energy thinking about them & bashing them then you do just moving on w/ your life. You had a bad experience w/ some bad people & I feel bad for you but you shouldn't say all the TEAMS are like that because they aren't. I know & I have seen different people in different organizations & have also been approached by different organizations & I know they aren't the same. When you say all they talk about is yachts, diamonds etc that isn't true but the ones you were involved w/ did but why would that be what attracted you? My Team cares about people & helping build a solid business & wants us to be able to spend time w/ our families. That's it! All those material things will come but of course that shouldn't be all you think about. What about Charities & really helping in life? That's what drives me my family & helping other. Any organization that tells you that you can do this full time in the beginning is lieing to you & if they say you need to put everything else aside that's incorrect also. We don't promote that at all just as your website states it should start as a part time business & then it can be full time is correct. Nobody can live on $0 & it shouldn't be communicated that way. I have an insurance business that I was told that you make all this money blah blah blah well guess what it's possible but it's not possible for a while. You have to also go to school to get your licensed which is about $900 then you need to get the laptop that the company has since that's the way you can work & have their software which is $145 a month for either 18 or 30 months (do that math) also you may be able to enroll but there is no guarantee but you still have to pay for the expenses as you are learning how to open companies. It all takes time to learn how to develop & get out there & try to go on presentations when you have no knowledge of what to really do or say & you have minimal support. The turn over in the office is so high because it's not communicated correctly in the beginning so even though there are big numbers the turn over is high because you have no team & no tapes or anything that can teach you how to do it. Our system is only a benefit to the business to teach you how to build the business it's not mandatory again it's a choice. If you came to me like someone from the Britt Organization did & say yeah "do you want to sell makeup" I said no! Well my business partner from the insurance business said 3 weeks later (w/o mentioning names) so & so is going to be here & I'd like you to meet him. I said okay no questions actually I didn't even know why I was meeting him I just trusted her since we work together in another business. Well I meet him & not once did he mention a product or the website honestly he was awesome & asked what was important to ME!!! I told him what I wanted in life & my goals for myself & my kids. I did take the Overnight pack & since I also deliver papers in the am to make extra money & typically listen to a person on the radio I made a joke that how could I listen to these CD's. Well since it was a Friday I was able to listen to the CD's no problem well I did & they were by far AWESOME & filled w/ information. Nothing about Yachts & Diamonds etc. I can say I did listen to each CD about 4 times each before Monday when I had another meeting w/ my business partners. I can also say that when I have presentations to give for my insurance business I can put in the tape or cd that calms me the most & helps me put the same type of presentation out there just w/ a different business. I am sorry you don't see the value, but you were w/ a different team & possibly just didn't have good information & an Awesome Team like the one I have. Could you possibly look up the Medical Billing Software Scam that cost me $500 & stole money from me & start focusing on other companies that really scam people!
Thanks!
ELA Said
"You don't have to do anything or buy anything if you don't want to it's a choice."
Great point. I thought a business was supposed to SELL products to create profit though. If one has to sell at cost, where will the profit come from. Of course, any comparison has to take place from listed retail price – smoke and mirrors of concentration strikes again. Perhaps if one uses an eyedropper to measure liquid SA8, it would be a good value.
Then obviously if you don't want to buy the SA8 then don't you have a choice! All you want to do is fight w/ people all day about what they choose to do. Get over it!
Thanks!
Also, You don't have to sell SA8 if you don't want to they have other Products w/in the business to sell that you can benefit from & so can other people let's think……..XS Drinks!!!! Go to the store & see if Red Bull plus other energy drinks aren't selling anywhere from $2.50-$3.00 a can. When it comes to Make-up Artistry has great prices & great quality so you can also market that. You obviously sell a lot of detergent if that is your focus in life, do you own a laundromat? Possibly you should go there & see the prices that they sell a little box for! You might want to make a website of that also. There are so many options you are just picking on one thing. Leave everyone alone. Passport only has 3 lines so you have to do a lot of over buying everymonth in order to keep getting paid @ least w/ Quixtar you have several things to purchase & w/ all the Partner Stores & Services you also are just redirecting where you make your purchases. My daughter wanted a Karaoke Machine so I bought it through my business -Circuit City & then picked it up in the store & still received the credit. There are soooo many choices & options! You are just bored & want to pick on one company!
Try to Have a Great Day!
Am I bored and just want to pick on Quixtar or was I a Quixtar 4,000 pin, seeing first hand how much money my downline loses every month?
You decide.
As they say, you took your eye off the ball! I was 4000 & I took my eye of the ball & now I have nothing! Now your on a website whining about it! Why don't you invest in the magazine Home Based Businesses & see what it cost to buy a home based business franchise! You really would be bad mouthing a lot of companies!!! Start up cost then the Franchise cost just to start (different costs)! What about the additional cost listed: Advertising, Royalities each yr, & the end Business Support help N/A (not available)notice they don't even mention your monthly overhead! You are not educated enough and obviously don't know what it costs to be a business owner! The system is an investment in yourself to be a leader & build a solid successful business! Do yourself a favor & pick up a John C Maxwell book!!! Also, for my insurance business we are involved w/ NAHU (National Association of Health Underwriters) yearly I pay to Network in the Association which is $255 plus I go to conventions which cost $400 a pop plus I attend CE classes (continuing education classes which is mandatory from the Dept of Ins) some are free & most I pay for! I also have to go to companies all over the state to do presentations so I pay for gas & tolls (also w/ our company as I mentioned above we have to buy their laptop & that's $145 a mth for 18-30 mths *if your lucky you may get a used laptop in good condition that dropped out) are learning anything from your laptop NO!!** this is the cost of business & building a business also there is no one to help you, you either invest in yourself & your business or you drop out — sound familiar?? Also, it's strictly commission so there is no salary!!! We went to a Leadership meeting for NAHU & the speaker that is the head of NAHU in the coutry stated that there was a study done w/ CEO's of Fortune 500 companies & they read 4-7 Books A WEEK!!!! They need to LEAD the TEAM & the COMPANY!!! I guess you are smarter than them also. You are obviously not intelligent to look outside the box your trapped in! I have invested in my insurance business for 2 yrs, I have had some groups & Brokers come through but I continually have to be out there marketing myself & finally after 2 yrs I got my first appt well what would of happened if I dropped out a yr ago I would of never got that appt!!?? You decide! You are looking for a get rich quick scam & looking for a pyramid so you can just "recruit" & sit on them working! You gave up & quit that is your problem your team is different than my team! I wouldn't be apart of that Organization if you paid me, I've seen your contacting & approach in the business. I said no remember read it from above & 3 weeks later a different team & approach I saw it!! Possibly my tapes & cd's are also better since my team has integrity!
Thanks!
***I am going out for a fun day w/ my kids!!! Who also enjoy the tapes & know a bad attitude when they see it! Garbage in Garbage out!
I always have great days. You see, after leaving Quixtar, I joined Passport and put together one of the largest and fastest growing teams in the company.
I have since helped Passport provide a free training system, better than any $250 weekend Quixtar seminar.
Anyways, two bits of advice. Using the enter button to break up paragraphs will make your posts more readable. Secondly, stop comparing Quixtar to traditional business. It's not a traditional business. It is a Network Marketing company. Compare it to other Network Marketing companies.
I don't want to get in a pissing match here but, I AM a business owner. I haven't had a job in 3 years.
People have just two choices when it comes to their emotions: they can master their emotions or be mastered by them
– John C Maxwell
I am sure there are many people that pay your $39 to join Passport & never do anything also. I'm sure some would say they were pressured into joining! In order for them to lead anyone they can't inherit it or learn it from someone it must develop from w/in first!
I'd like to know your figures since you are so concerned about Quixtar & where is all your Partner Stores & Services?
You make money if people join so even if you registered 1 million IBO's & never did anything you still profit!
Also, this is Network Marketing & is a business & it's a franchise that you are buying. If you went to develop an on-line business what do you think the start up costs would be??? Not $39!
If you would get over your negative attitude your company wouldn't look so jealous!
I'd like to know the REAL story of what you did & how your business w/ Quixtar fell apart but then again you would have to be honest!
Go buy the book: The 17 Essential Qualities of a a TEAM PLAYER – Becoming the kind of person every team wants – John C Maxwell
**Feel free to pick up ALL the other ones too!
Building the team is as important as producing the product. – BOB TAYLOR
The purpose of life is not to win. The purpose of life is to grow & share. When you come to look back on all you have done in life, you will get more satisfaction from the pleasure you have brought to other people's lives than you will from the times that you outdid & defeated them
-Rabbi Harold Kushner
Thanks!!
Erica,
You said –
"You make money if people join so even if you registered 1 million IBO's & never did anything you still profit!"
This is a textbook definition of an illegal pyramid. Better check your company's FTC ruling.
You said –
"Also, this is Network Marketing & is a business & it's a franchise that you are buying."
Oops. When you enroll in Quixtar, Passport, or any other NM business, you are NOT a franchise. Better check your own business compendium. It is a violation of your rules to claim your business to be a franchise.
You also said –
"I'd like to know the REAL story of what you did & how your business w/ Quixtar fell apart but then again you would have to be honest!"
This is perhaps most interesting considering the fact that income statements from the upper pins lack any mention that the majority of their income is produced by marketing the "training system" not the movement of products through the distribution system.
You seem to be fairly well read and possess the intellegence needed to offer quotes relevant to your chosen position. I suggest you check your premises for they are riddled with contradictions.
So do you return the $39 to people that register & never do anything @ Passport? I'd like to see the proof also. You also are twisting what I said! People join businesses all the time & don't do anything w/ it, it happens in the insurance business also!
Franchise information we will find out if that is incorrect & if so then of course we won't say that since we are not in the business to screw anyone.
Also, we will be looking into the tool money that you claim to be the majority of the income. But honestly I enjoy the system & it's helped me w/ my insurance business so I would put money into my business w/ the system anyway. I am also part of a different team then you were part of & w/ us nothing is pushed on you & your not made to do anything you don't want to. IT'S YOUR OWN BUSINESS! INVEST IF YOU WANT TO BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO!
When your speakers come to talk to your group who pays them? Are you just so liked that they do it for free? With all the Mentors & Coaches that you say you learned from & changed your life did you pay them & if so how much did you invest?
Finally just MOVE ON! MOVE ON!
Erica,
Of course we do not return the enrollment. I don't think that has ever been an issue.
I haven't twisted anything you've said, I have copied your statements exactly as you wrote them. Now I do think that what you've been told to say is twisted but that is not your fault, it's the Quixtar culture.
I have never said that training is a bad thing. My point is that the training is the major source of income by a great many of the higher pins, much more than revenue produced through the marketing plan. Good for you if you have received benefit. For most, they are pressured into the "system" and it does nothing but add overhead to their business budget.
Lastly, you said –
"When your speakers come to talk to your group who pays them? Are you just so liked that they do it for free? With all the Mentors & Coaches that you say you learned from & changed your life did you pay them & if so how much did you invest?"
As a matter of fact, all the speakers we have had at Passport DID speak for free. Our speaker on September 22 is also speaking for free. And so is the speaker in October. So to answer your question – yes, I guess they do like us since each has offered to come back and speak again – FOR FREE.
You have my personal invitation to attend any of our training calls and you won't even have to tell anyone you did. What the heck – it's free and you never know, you may learn some new stuff that may help you in whatever business you pursue.
Erica,
I think it's important to believe in whatever program you're involved with and I want to wish you well in whatever you undertake.
There are many opportunities available today so if one doesn't suit you, it's easy to find one that does.
The key to any you may choose is that you must do the work. This profession can and has earned fortunes for many people. The ethics of how some of these fortunes were earned however is suspect. If your current enterprises meets with your ethical standards, then more power to you. If it does not, then you should follow your gut instincts and join an organization that best matches your particular beliefs.
Integrity means to depend that which you know as fact but use caution when defending that which you were told by others. You may choose to reject what you read here and elsewhere in favor of what you have been told by people that say they have a vested interest in your business. Consider this a moment before you completely shut down –
The people who have a vested interest in your business – are they advising you NOT to read the negative stuff on the internet? Are they advising you that you need the "system" because no one has ever succeeded without it? Their degree of vested interest extends to the volume you generate and the people you sponsor into THEIR downline, right? Of course they won't share anything "negative" if it means risking their profits. How much support do you think you'd receive if you stopped going to the events, took yourself off their SOT program, and stopped purchasing stuff for the company store? Have you noticed how your upline calls around the last 4 or 5 days of the month? Perhaps to tell you how "close" you are to the next bracket? Which do they talk about more – the benefits of SA8 or the next "awesome" speaker being "brought in" just to talk to your group?
If you are truly serious about your Quixtar business, then why are you wasting time reading and commenting on the blogs? How does it benefit your business to enter into debates about the merit of your business? I suspect you may be trying to convince yourself of something you may not want to admit.
Dave,
I just know there are different organizations & teams w/in Quixtar & you shouldn't say that they are all as greedy as the BWW Organization & not caring. I have actually been home working a lot more this past week on my computer that's how I bumped into this site. I typically don't go on the internet other than to go to my email & buy something. I just think that you do have to know what the sites say just so you do know what is being said out in the world.
I personally don't believe that people can be pressured. I have a strong mind & do what I can financially. Nobody can make you write a check or do anything. If you give in well than that is your choice. I couldn't get on the system for many, many months. I had to find a way & make sure it wasn't impacting me financially. You always have a choice to cancel @ any time. I would go to the functions because I did learn different ways to build the business & STP. There also have been times I didn't because I couldn't (mostly because of finances) & I also have kids & my husband works on Saturday's. I think if you can't go because things happen than don't go. If you allow other people to manipulate your mind than you are just weak.
We actually are told that we can go online to look at these, of course I will not keep coming on its not worth the back & forth battle of opinions anyway.
I really have no time & just wanted people to also see that BWW isn't the only team out there in the Network Marketing Business. Also, some of us really like the education on the tapes & in the books. Quixtar site has many benefits too (& many ways to build points & residual income)!
God Bless!
Erica,
Since you're not in the BWW LOS, am I correct to assume that you are somewhere in the Yager tree?
I know Yager came up w/ the system just from listening to his stories on some tapes that I had in the beginning. I probably have 3 & heard one more that I do enjoy. If there is anything said on a tape/CD that I don't agree w/ I just leave it behind & keep what I do like.
On a tape in a system pack from July really explained the business & all the different LOS & how it works. It was very interesting & I will listen to it again since I do listen to the tapes on average 10+ times so I know who says what & who they are. I will write down the LOS that they explained. I do think that we are linked into Yager somehow & someway.
I have seen people not be on the system & just lag behind & never truly learn anything about building the business. I have to say they don't stick w/ it & then down the road they will say "I was involved in that once" but if you start asking questions they never did anything & only STP once a month if that.
Money & Profiting on the tapes etc. I don't really care because if they are out there teaching people on their time & helping them become free than they do deserve the rewards. I know that Quixtar gives out a lot of bonuses & growth bonuses also.
With our team it's known that there is a 2-5 yr plan but we all know that it's not guaranteed & there's a lot of work involved. For myself I have taken it slow & am growing at my own speed. Life is a marathon not a sprint. We are told to do our personal best whatever that is. If it's a plan or 3 plans that's what it is. Once you do it more you become comfortable I believe you will be out there more but until then it's all a learning curve. No matter what you do in life it will always take you a couple yrs to learn a trade, Networking is no different.
Maybe your tapes sucked but my system is awesome & I actually can't wait to receive it every mth. I usually get through the whole system in 2-3 days. I know the system is what teaches me & made my mind open up to what the future holds not the website or the people showing me.
I hope to be helping people build their business in the future & possibly be in their car educating them. I believe in the value of our system.
Erica,
I still have hundreds of tapes that date way back to the early 80's. At one point, I had over 3000 tapes in my library. Your point about-
"Maybe your tapes sucked but my system is awesome & I actually can't wait to receive it every mth."
It was and is still very common that multiple organizations will share the same tape (CD) at various intervals. Even the former TOD used old Amway / Quixtar / Yager tapes in their Top 50 pack. Each organization, by and large, pulls a lot of their tape stock from the same bulk archive.
So, are you going to answer my question about your group?
Honestly I don't believe I could mention it w/o there consent?! I do know that they don't view anything on the internet. I do because I do like to look at what people say as I stated before.
My team comes from the west coast not the east coast. I would also like to add that out of all the people mentioned on-line there isn't one mention of our LOS anywhere! I am very relieved of that but I still will look into some things that I did read.
I am an honest person & saw an opportunity that I believe came to me several times & I did choose this LOS rather than the one on the East Coast.
Don't you think it's fair not to bring their name into this?
Erica,
East Coast vs West Coast = doesn't matter. It's really all one big happy family.
If you don't want to mention your upline Diamond I can appreciate that. There is no reason to jeopardize your relationship with them. How about your upline Crown? Are you comfortable sharing that info?
I'd like to mention who the Crown is but I just can't w/o their consent. I do not have a Diamond that I go to on our LOS. I have a Platinum & many Emeralds that I can go to for advise & coaching.
I do understand what you are saying w/ one big happy family because one way or another they do have ties to eachother especially if there families have been involved in the business a long time.
Out of respect I won't give their names online & I really like them as my coaches in this business. With my opinion there isn't any better team or LOS than the one I have been linked w/.
Erica,
I get it.
You probably wouldn't hesitate to drop names if you thought I'd make a good prospect. Sadly, I think your approach is textbook.
Jump onto the blog, assail the author's integrity and honesty, demanding that he or anyone else offer proof of their position. You brag about how "my group doesn't do that" or "my team doesn't do this". Then you sight a convoluted sense of protocol that "prohibits" you from sharing the name of your upline Crown?
I suspect the fact is this – you won't mention the names because you are afraid that your upline may be exposed as part of the major kingpin groups that ARE mentioned as abusive.
That's ok.
Equally unfortunate – it what you suggest about your team is possibly true, why wouldn't you want to do everything you could to promote them. I was just ready to post about your "different kind of biz" group.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Dave,
You are wrong again. I don't know why you would be a prospect when you are a VP of another Network Marketing Company. I am not looking for prospects on this website. I have a website for my business & that's where I send people to take a look @ the business opportunity (not here).
Trust me again, I was approached by somebody in the Eagle Organization & I don't like the approach that they have. I wasn't interested.
My Crown in the business got into the business to be a Full Time Dad that is why he built the business & built it in the rough yrs just as you did in the 80's & 90's.
I want people to see that you can be in this business & we aren't all bad as some of these sites suggest. There are good apples & bad apples!
Erica,
What's your web site address?
Why wouldn't I be a good prospect? I know of several people in your business that were VP's in their careers when they looked at networking. Cardinal rule for prospecting – never rule out anyone, regardless of what you perceive their status. Let them disqualify themselves.
I don't think you're a "bad apple" at all. There are thousands of good and honest people in your business. Misinformed perhaps, but these people certainly have the best of intentions. If only more people would examine what they are being told is the proper function and conduct for the business.
Aren't you involved w/ Passport for Networking? I am not disqualifing you I would just think that you are part of another company & are happy there since you aren't happy w/ the way Organizations build teams powered by Quixtar.
When we are interviewing & looking for the right people on our team of course VP's, Lawyers, CPA's, Doctors etc. are great prospects since they have an idea of success & how you have to work to be successful. Also, within our organization we have great people that were in those positions prior to retiring & becoming an IBO full time.
What exactly is your position? I'd like to give you the website except I don't want to give out my IBO# to this website which is how you would get into it.
What is it about the system that bothers you the most? If you have all those tapes still what is on them that turned you off?
I have noticed that there were people in the Eagle Organization & they do tell people that they have to buy $600 suits & are flashy & materialistic. We are taught that it is better to set goals & have delayed gratification w/ material items.
Why did you leave the business? Do you regret it @ all since now it is so much easier to build a point center?
Erica,
My only regret is that I didn't quit sooner and save the $3000 a year I paid for "tools".
Yes, I am with Passport LLC. I am VP and Chief bottle-washer. As far as the future, who knows where I may head to next. I am thinking about starting up my own multi-level. I am considering some kind of fruit flavored, powder drink. I am torn between grape or lime flavor.
At any rate, I have somewhat enjoyed our little sparing match but think we adjourn until the next thread.
Best of luck to you and we'll save you a spot on the beaches of the world.
Joke of the day:
(on leaving Quixtar):
"Why did you leave the business? Do you regret it @ all since now it is so much easier to build a point center?"
FYI: Quixtar is by FAR the most difficult Network Marketing company to build in the industry. Building "a point center" with products that compete with the real world offers you a chance to actually sell some products and make some money, instead of simply buying from yourself.
It really only takes one product to make a business work in Network Marketing. Look at the stats. The average Quixtar IBO spends more money than they make, even though they have a million products.
Most IBO's never make money because they are not actively STP. If you STP once a month how well are you going to build your business if @ all. There are people that join & never do anything.
They have lots of products not just 3 plus they have Partner Stores & Services & ways to get residual points w/ monthly services & a Visa Credit Card (your system can now go on your credit card & you can get points for that also) — you might want to take a look!
Don't be so jealous! It's better now than ever before!
"Most IBO's never make money because they are not actively STP."
Ok, so has Quixtar changed the rules? How much do you get paid every time you STP? Silly me, here I am thinking that in order to make money you actually have to sell products….Wonder what the guys and gals over at the FTC think of this…
JCMJ,
How much money did you make on Partner Stores and Services in August?
"Most IBO's never make money because they are not actively STP."
That is completely false. Most IBO's don't make money because they spend more money than they make on expensive products and ineffective training (books, cd's and meetings)
JCMJ,
Here's a shot in the dark –
Will you tell us the name of your upline Diamond and/or Crown?
You just want to overgeneralize the business!!
It's easy to get members/clients w/ all the products we have! Sorry it's not just soap anymore that you have to move! Sorry your so old & outdated!
Okay Mara look @ the site & you will see that we have many products that are great so no you don't have to use the old "just buy from yourself" phrase since you can move XS, Artistry (& they keep coming out w/ new & exciting products too)etc. You don't have to sell soap! You find what you like to sell & sell it!
If you know how to sell & who to market to you will do great w/ what we offer! You don't have to go after your family & friends like you claim! You just couldn't sell, could be the attitude problem that you have!
MOVE ON! MOVE ON!
"Okay Mara look @ the site & you will see that we have many products that are great so no you don't have to use the old "just buy from yourself" phrase since you can move XS, Artistry (& they keep coming out w/ new & exciting products too)etc. You don't have to sell soap! You find what you like to sell & sell it!
If you know how to sell & who to market to you will do great w/ what we offer! You don't have to go after your family & friends like you claim! You just couldn't sell, could be the attitude problem that you have!"
Erica, quite honestly, I have seen enough of the Quixtar site to last me a lifetime, thanks. Where exactly did I mention anything about soap???? Where exactly did I mention anything about the old "just buy from yourself" phrase??? Where exactly did I claim a thing??? I really would be curious how it is you know that I "just couldn't sell" and have an attitude from one post on this blog that wasn't even addressed to you, unless of course you also go by the JCMJ name. You know absolutely nothing about me, my experience, my sales and marketing skills, NOTHING. I think it would be wise to get your emotions in check before you make character assumptions.
Tell me, Erica, how many of these "great" products do you sell at RETAIL every month?
I do enough product movement to know especially as a beginner learning in the business! Grow up w/ your bad & negative attitude. You have nothing going on in your life except of course to think about all your failures!
I forgot only people like you know everything & how to build a successful Network Marketing Business! Yeah right!
Move on! Move on!
Go get yourself a glass a wine!
Ok, Erica, so now that we have assessed that I have a bad attitude are you going to answer my questions? Here, just to make it easy on you, are my questions:
Where exactly did I mention anything about soap????
Where exactly did I mention anything about the old "just buy from yourself" phrase???
Where exactly did I claim a thing???
How many of these "great" products do you sell at RETAIL every month? (By the way, by this I mean to customers other than yourself)
"You have nothing going on in your life except of course to think about all your failures!" Honestly, Erica, what would your upline think of you if they heard you speak so? Shame, shame….don't you know you are only to speak positively? Apparently you need to listen to a few more tapes, the message doesn't seem to have sunk in yet…
Don't worry about my business & life worry about your own. I know what I am doing. If you are doing so well now why do you care what other people do in their lives. Grow up!
Sorry that I am not "brainwashed" into having to think what people tell me to think, I do what is best for me. You can't make someone do something so if you claim that you were "pressured" into buying tapes, functions etc than you didn't do what was best for you & what you could afford.
I hope the best for you in whatever you choose to do in life but you should stop making everyone seem so mean in this business, it's just not true!
So you are not going to answer any of my questions, there's a surprise.
Maybe you'll answer me this: in what possible way have I made "everyone seem so mean in this business"?
I asked a question regarding a comment made by JCMJ (you?) and you come back saying I have made this claim and said this and that and the other thing. NONE of which I said. You then proceed to say that I have a bad attitude and a life of utter failure. Hmmmm….yeah it looks like I'm the one who needs to grow up, eh?
"You can't make someone do something so if you claim that you were "pressured" into buying tapes, functions etc than you didn't do what was best for you & what you could afford." I really have no idea where you are trying to go with this… I have said nothing about the scam they call the tools system. I think perhaps you should try to focus a bit more on the things actually said in this debate. Sometimes the ol' Q standard lines don't really fit within the context of the conversation…
I really have to wonder why you can't answer a direct question. You choose to throw out insults and personal attacks instead. I would say "typical Q-IBO" but, oh no….your group is DIFFERENT….
I think you need to realize, Erica, that we who have been around this industry and Quixtar in particular have heard all the propaganda, seen all the evasiveness, and know the truth about what goes on in that business. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it false.
Don't hate the playa…..hate the game!
I had to take a look at your jcmj thing & I did so ooked at the email address & it was my husband joking around since i left the page up, it was fun going back & forth. He knows how the business is growing since he walks in people's houses & see's IBO's all over. He could care less about what any of us say! There's no reason to go back & forth except for the fun of it:)
Anyway the holiday is over & I am busy w/ my other business. I build this on the side & will say as I said before it's a good business. Thanks for the fun! I will occasionally view the site to see if any new information is being posted.
As Dave S said – I will see you on the beaches on the world!
Sorry about that: See you on the beaches of the world!
**Very Important:
Don't forget to tune into Howard Stern in January on Sirius!!!
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